09-11-2007, 12:27 AM
(sigh !! ) I thought we said we weren't going to get into this subject ( again !! ) 
Yes, we have seen that Xenophon refers to thorakes lineoi, but , significantly, not in a greek context. If greek tube-and-yoke coselets were linen, why did he not say that the Chalybes wear corselets'just like ours', for instance?
Now I don't know whether Greeks wore linen tube-and-yoke corselets, or not. It is possible they did not. I do believe they wore ones made of leather which Xenophon calls spolades, for it is defined so in the Onomastikon, and no amount of 'fudging' can alter this.
But I shall keep an open mind on this.
The tube-and-yoke corselet appears in greek art around 520 B.C. or thereabouts and disappears around the second century B.C.. Perhaps you can give sources for these poets and historians from this period who refer unequivocally to 'linothorax' or 'thorakes lineoi' . And Xenophon does not say'normal linen thorakes have pteryges'.
Indeed! Let us test this assumption that there is plenty of evidence for greek 'linothorakes'. I suspect we are going to find even less than for leather 'spolades'.
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Let us see some evidence, please.
D
Quote:thorax means any kind of body armour,so thorax is ok for linen corselets,too.
Yes, we have seen that Xenophon refers to thorakes lineoi, but , significantly, not in a greek context. If greek tube-and-yoke coselets were linen, why did he not say that the Chalybes wear corselets'just like ours', for instance?
Now I don't know whether Greeks wore linen tube-and-yoke corselets, or not. It is possible they did not. I do believe they wore ones made of leather which Xenophon calls spolades, for it is defined so in the Onomastikon, and no amount of 'fudging' can alter this.
But I shall keep an open mind on this.
Quote:many different ancient sources speak about greek linen thorakes,historians and poets among them(not considering Homer).They even say that the normal linen thorakes have pteryges(see above)!Really ?
The tube-and-yoke corselet appears in greek art around 520 B.C. or thereabouts and disappears around the second century B.C.. Perhaps you can give sources for these poets and historians from this period who refer unequivocally to 'linothorax' or 'thorakes lineoi' . And Xenophon does not say'normal linen thorakes have pteryges'.
Quote:Our debate concentrates in only one spot.
Indeed! Let us test this assumption that there is plenty of evidence for greek 'linothorakes'. I suspect we are going to find even less than for leather 'spolades'.
) Let us see some evidence, please.
D
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