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SUBARMALIS THICKNESS
#16
Umm, are you saying that those green scratch pads we use to clean our gear, would have about the same effect as horse hair padding? Not saying that green scrubbies/scratch pads would be accurate other than it might replicate the padding effect.

Did I get this correct or did I just drive off a cliff on this one? :?

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#17
Quote:Umm, are you saying that those green scratch pads we use to clean our gear, would have about the same effect as horse hair padding?

No. The green scrubbies are in imitation of old fashioned horse hair packing material that was bonded to itslef with a green substance..... the packing was once prized for its "scubby" abilities. Used to come in brown also..

See if you can find horse hair padding like what was once used in seat cushions.. chairs, sofas, auto seats...
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#18
David is correct about non machine made felt albeit hand made felt is more accurate for producing a subarmalis if one would like to have a possible idea as to the actual weight, feel, and function of a felt subarmalis possibly used by the romans.

Using a thick, high density machine made wool would not be a very good measure as to the feel, weight, and function of a felt subarmalis.

The ancient wool would have been more ventilated. However, this would not detract from protection. My felt maker was describing to me that the network of fibers used allowed for an ideal under armor garment. Modern wools which I own a piece of at half inch thick, is far too dense since they use a machine to press nearly all the air out of it. The result would be wearing a subarmalis that woudl feel like wearing several jackets all one on top of the other making motion quite difficult. Of course this is my opinion I could be wrong.

A more ventilated wool would also absorb a blow better since there would be an "air cusion" if you will.

As far as stopping arrows I believe that any small and concentrated force as is the case with the tip of an arrow with the proper force will go through vitrually anything a roman soldier was wearing.


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#19
Quote:Using a thick, high density machine made wool would not be a very good measure as to the feel, weight, and function of a felt subarmalis.

Paolo, you may well be right there. The trouble is, what sort of use is there for this 'ancient' sort of 'loose' felt - where to get it?
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#20
Yes, even finding 1/4 inch wool was impossible, so I ended up using layers of wool/cotton material. Only thick stuff I could find was synth.
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Doc:2fmwsbii Wrote:Using a thick, high density machine made wool would not be a very good measure as to the feel, weight, and function of a felt subarmalis.

Paolo, you may well be right there. The trouble is, what sort of use is there for this 'ancient' sort of 'loose' felt - where to get it?

http://gfwsheep.com/flatfelt/flatfelt1.html :wink: :wink:

You can get the raw wool material on Ebay usually.
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#22
Robert and Byron. Big Grin

The felter I am working with uses either hand or machine to make the felt . She obtains the wool and then felts it. Depending on the size of the job, she may use hand or machine. However, she is trying to use her machine more than manual labor.

The machine she has is specifically designed to produce felt that is like hand made felt. This felt place is not a huge commercial felter where only one type of felt is produced. Here the felt can be made of any thickness, denisty, or color (natural or dyed).

This felter has aslo made under armor before and was telling me of the advantages of felt as a material.

Byron most of what you find is synthetic or 1/4 inch thick (if natural). Sad I know this because I ran into the same problem. So I looked up fiber processing on google and came up with a list of different fiber processors that can do this custom work.

The one I am using is Pufpaff's Fiber Processing here in the US.

Robert I am not sure I understand the first part of your question "what use is there for this 'ancient' sort of 'loose' felt? Smile

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#23
Quote:Robert I am not sure I understand the first part of your question "what use is there for this 'ancient' sort of 'loose' felt? Smile
I meant modern use, which usually tells me where to find it. :wink:
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#24
Robert,

The felter I am referring to does not stock roles of this thickness or type of felt. She makes it for you if you order it. So I cannot tell you specifically of any modern use.

I could find out if you wish.

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