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I have a picture (thanks Jurjen!) of a pugio frog arm found at one of the sites in England (Jurjen, was that Vindonissa?). Anyway, looking at the base of it there are some decorative lines...thing is, was it a cast piece with the lines in the mold, or a sheet that was stamped/chiseled a bit?
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Oh my. So it's probably too small for a 2nd century belt. Darn...I liked the shape too!
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Yes, it's dated to Neronian/Claudian period.
As the pugio disappeared in the second century, you're quite ok not to have a pugio on your belt.
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I know, but I like them :oops: ...and I'm 105 AD anyway, so I'm not quite at that point.
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I would agree with Peroni, that the frog is a cast piece. However it becomes a rather bold statment to say that the Pugio goes out in the second century.
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What I meant Brian is that it does not appear on sculpture during the 2nd Century. There is also a big gap in the finds from the first to the third century examples from Kunzing and Coptall Court.
Magnus, the width of 2nd c belt plates and buckle plates is on average 20-25mm. A great deal of them are richly enamelled too. The examples from Vindolanda and Caerleon come immediately to mind. You also have the Antonine period plates which are open-work.
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I do understand your point Adrian, it just appeared the way it was worded I thought hello somone is drawing a line right at the end of a century here. However you are right, the evidence for the pugio does become a bit rare around this period.
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