12-01-2007, 02:36 AM
Quote: A steel cuirass over a mail haubergeon was a common combination in 14th-15th C Europe.Irrelevant for the time period being discussed. Every image of musculata (Greek, Roman, iron, bronze, leather) shows them worn tightly-fitted. Whey would there be a mail shirt under a musculata, confined to the exact shape of the cuirass, with no sleeve or neck protection (as with a haubereon)?
Quote:So where is the evidence of officers wearing it?With all due respect, Dan, have you even read Travis' site? The evidence is all right there. Whether you choose to agree as to what it shows is certainly your choice. But to just keep repeating "where is the evidence", even after it's been presented to you, becomes tiresome. We get it: you don't agree they existed. I'm good with that.
Quote:Your logic is as biased as anyone who has argued against the leather cuirass. And the only evidence you did present was dispelled by Vortigern,My "logic" comes from the evidence Travis presented, and from the personal experience of having worn several musculata, both on horse and afoot. "Experience" is not in same category as "bias". "Bias" is when someone who repeatedly interjects their comments on a thread specifically about a piece of equipment they've never made or even tried on themselves.
Quote:Decius and his son Herennius in 251 by the Goths, Regalianus in 260 against the Roxolani, Valentinian is almost killed in 368 against the Alamanni, but we know of none of these incidents that the emperor was anywhere near the front line.Vortigern's answer was ambiguously worded, to put it politely. One could just as easily have stated, "We don't know for certain if they died in combat, but of course, they were on campaign at the time, so it's quite possible."
Regards,
Gil / Valerius
