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Gladius Hilts Ivory?
#1
Does anyone have any photos of galdius hilts made completely from ivory?

I know the Romans in the 1st Century AD used bone or ivory for the sword grip and wood for the pommel and guard.

However, I would like to know if any known hilts were made completely from ivory.

Any assistance will be appreciated.

Paolo
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#2
There was one found in Wales but I have only seen very bad black & white pictures of this.

The pommel was near round, sloping towards the grip and the guard was a cylindrical section of tusk.

There is a drawing in one of the early Opsrey books I think.

Pompeii style blade with a slight ricasso.

I'd love it of someone has a decent photo to post ????????
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#3
Also Nijmegen. Look about four fifths of the way down the page:

http://www.romancoins.info/MilitaryEqui ... ttack.html

http://www.romancoins.info/milit-gladii-Nim.jpg
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#4
Sometimes are confusion between ivory and bone...

If you want a bone/ivory hilt design, look here:

MAINZ (BONE)
http://www.roemisches-mainz.de/mainz/pi ... en011g.jpg

DORCHESTER(BONE)
http://www.exploratio.org/image_databas ... P3336a.jpg
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#5
Quote:Sometimes are confusion between ivory and bone...
Good point, ivory being teeth. I suppose you could decide your impression is of a poorer Roman soldier, and use bone. If he'd had a good innings on campaign go for ivory?
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#6
Quote:Sometimes are confusion between ivory and bone...

If you want a bone/ivory hilt design, look here:

MAINZ (BONE)
http://www.roemisches-mainz.de/mainz/pi ... en011g.jpg

DORCHESTER(BONE)
http://www.exploratio.org/image_databas ... P3336a.jpg

Are these bone grip, ivory pommel & guard ?

Interesting in that the grip splopes towards the guard ?
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#7
There are all bone parts. The sloping could be not original and be held in that way by the museum conservators.
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#8
Quote:The sloping could be not original and be held in that way by the museum conservators.
Cesar, are you sure about that? A thrusting weapon might benefit from a wider grip at the near end, for pulling back with where the hand is smaller.
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#9
Quote:There are all bone parts. The sloping could be not original and be held in that way by the museum conservators.

I sent the Dorchester museum a question about that but they did not answer Sad
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LUCIUS ALFENUS AVITIANUS:3boz0tz2 Wrote:The sloping could be not original and be held in that way by the museum conservators.
Cesar, are you sure about that? A thrusting weapon might benefit from a wider grip at the near end, for pulling back with where the hand is smaller.

The Mainz one has a blade in place, triangilar, so when I saw that I assumed that it was correct as the type was different from Pompeii/Mainz/Fulham types.

Do either of you have any information on the cross section of the blade ?
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#11
I think is oval, very plain.

http://www.roemisches-mainz.de/mainz/pi ... en012g.jpg

And, yes, seems in Mainz sword slopes too toward the handguard... :wink:
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#12
What also interests me is that the blade is virtually the same width as the hilt so i wonder what the scabbard mouth would look like ?

Do you know on what context the word was found ?
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#13
Thank you all for the answers.

Tarbicus, the hilt on the roman coin page that you were refering to is the one where in German it is written Bein and elfenbein in the background? It sort of looks viking in shape?

Do you think that this may be for a Fulham or Mainz?

Cesar the Mainz hilt and Dorchester hilt you were referring to is for Fulham, Mainz, or pompei gladii. They appears too narrow to accept a Mainz or Fulham blade :?:

Thanks

Paolo
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#14
Can I but in here :wink:


Tarbicus, the hilt on the roman coin page that you were refering to is the one where in German it is written Bein and elfenbein in the background? It sort of looks viking in shape?

Do you think that this may be for a Fulham or Mainz?

This is for a late Roman spatha and I believe it is from a Danish bog find


Cesar the Mainz hilt and Dorchester hilt you were referring to is for Fulham, Mainz, or pompei gladii. They appears too narrow to accept a Mainz or Fulham blade Question

The Dorchester hilt is so similar to that at mainz that I suspect the blade would be triangular but other than that a Pompeii style blade seems a likely alternative.
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#15
I think Tarbicus are thinking in that picture:

http://romancoins.info/milit-gladius-griff2.jpg

And the Dorchester hilt, i think could have belonged to a Pompei style sword.

I have not the context of the Mainz hilt. If you are intersted, you can see at

Hubertus Mikler: Die römischen Funde aus Bein im Landesmuseum Mainz. Mainz, 1997.

ISBN 2-907303-06-6
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