Another hand salute?

[Tarbicus]

So the name CAN mean a lefty or someone who has only the left hand, but not have to.

It's a good point and can be seen in the origins of even modern names which, to a foreigner in translation can seem unusual, but in its native context is quite normal.

I have found the Plutarch passage (two are interestings) on Lacus Curtius; a part from the hats, also the toga can be used to cover the head, how affirms Plutarch:

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Why is it that.......

Brilliant! Thanks and laudes! In the context of the jealousy of the gods it makes complete sense, and in context of Honor also. Either way, it lends weight to an argument that the hand gestures seen are a simple continuation of that.

[Gaius Julius Caesar]

Well the toga is one thing which is pretty well known, as with the little hats with the funny points the priests or flamens wore! This is seen in a few reliefs! Just did nots see a connection before to the soldier looking knackered! :roll:

[Robert Vermaat]

This is from Algeria, (thanks Spadinos!) from Rapidum in Mauretania Caesariensis. Probably Late Roman:
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Damien posted this statueette from Arles, 1st c.:

[Tib. Gabinius]

I must confess, this really make sense. The evidences build a straight line.
In my opinion, that's a good point for a greeting gesture, also i still wouldn't compare it with modern military salute.
Very fine and laudes.

[Luca]

I agree. Laudes to Mitra.

[Dan Diffendale]

Where does all this right handed, arm in the air, saluting come from?
Not the early 20th century version, but the one you see represented so often?

Most famously, L'Arringatore ("The Haranguer"), a statue of Aulus Metellus from the 1st century BCE and inscribed in Etruscan, and the equestrian statue of Marcus Aurelius on the Capitoline. But there are others.

[Luca]

Well, we have to consider that anyway the salute with the (shaking) hand is a normal confidential gesture, while taking off the hat is more formal and honorable way to salute someone.

I also believe that many of the supposed right-hand salutes are possible kind of wisdom/benediction/ritual gestures and not really salutes.

[TITVS SABATINVS AQVILIVS]

I've gathered all the (?) salutes:

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Mikkalus (from the R.A. imagebase)
[url:23mkq4cm]http://www.romanarmy.com/cms/component/option,com_imagebase/task,view/cid,122/Itemid,94/[/url]

Ahenobarbus relief
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Armenian infantry - Byzantin - from Army Men-at-Arms-Series, Nr. 89 "Byzantine Armies 886 - 1118", page Nr.29:
[url:23mkq4cm]http://people.freenet.de/u-bahr/Armsalut.jpg[/url]

Roman relief
[url:23mkq4cm]http://people.freenet.de/u-bahr/Ahenotri.jpg[/url]

Gemma Tiberiana
[url:23mkq4cm]http://members.aol.com:/rcasti998/salute1[/url]

from Algeria, (thanks Spadinos!) from Rapidum in Mauretania Caesariensis
[url:23mkq4cm]http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/8560/200605220088kv.jpg[/url]

From Arles I century
[url:23mkq4cm]http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/8782/68salutmilitairemuseedesantiquitesnationalessaintgermfz2.jpg[/url]

Coptic textile fragment from Egypt (Late Empire)
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Forgot anyone?

I've also found a new sample on the roman frieze of the Godness Ecate temple at Lagina (I-II century BC) - section 204. But I cannot scan it now, next I'll do, if none here has already a pic of it...

Ten samples in total.

Valete,

[Gaius Julius Caesar]

"Most famously, L'Arringatore ("The Haranguer"), a statue of Aulus Metellus from the 1st century BCE and inscribed in Etruscan, and the equestrian statue of Marcus Aurelius on the Capitoline. But there are others."

Is he not just guestureing to an audience here? Seems like Augustus makes a similar gesture in that famous statue of him! He is saluting the people to show what a fine person he is I guess, not a dictator!

[Tarbicus]

Is he not just guestureing to an audience here?

The thing is that the ad locutio "gesture" is seen often in imagery, and may have been a formal sign of someone giving a speech. We see it both to and from such people when addressing a gathering.

[Gaius Julius Caesar]

Yes I was thinking along those lines, just when you say salute, I always think of the military one, rether than a form of greeting!

[Tarbicus]

Think 'salutations'

[Gaius Julius Caesar]

:lol: :lol:

[TITVS SABATINVS AQVILIVS]

As promised above, I've also found a new sample of hand salute (?) on the roman frieze of the Godness Ecate temple at Lagina (I-II century BC) - section 204. Sorry for the quality of the pic...

Here it is:

Valete,

[Theodosius the Great]

These two "salutes" look very similar, don't they ?





~Theo