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Anyone know about some breeches from Marx-Etzel Germany?
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I have been reading a book called Viking Clothing by Thor Ewing. He talks a bit about Roman and Migration era clothing as a lead up to Viking clothes, an evolution of sorts.

In the parts about Roman stuff he mentions a wool tunic and short from Marx-Erzel Germany but gives no date to the find. Anyone know anything about this find? Here is an illustration I did of the pattern in the book based on the breeches find:

[Image: breeches.jpg]

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James Barker
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#2
Do you know of anyone who has made a pair off of this pattern...looks interesting and very simple...
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#3
Hi James,

Quote:In the parts about Roman stuff he mentions a wool tunic and short from Marx-Erzel Germany but gives no date to the find. Anyone know anything about this find?

Not much really. The find is from Marx-Etzel (not Marx-Erzel) and dated to either 1000-500 BC or 3/4th cent BC, so quite early anyway and comes from Germanic territory. Seems to have been published by Karl Schlabow in some form, but I don't know anything more specific. Here's a pic of the original I found (doesn't mention the source unfortunately):

[Image: MarxEtzel_02.jpg]

You may want to look at these links:

http://www.german-hosiery-museum.de/ges ... hte_01.htm

http://www.german-hosiery-museum.de/ges ... d01-01.htm

http://www.wikingerkleidung.de/maenner/ ... idung.html
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Here's another link with some additional info and references:

http://www.cr.nps.gov/history/online_bo ... ol4-2f.htm

According to this one reference would be:

W. von Stokar, Spinnen und Weben bei den Germanen (Mannus-Bibliothek, Leipzig, 1938), Vol. 59.
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#5
Thanks Martin

I did a little digging yesterday and found the same dating. It is a bit disappointing how early they are but it is an interesting design not to unlike the Thorsberg trousers, I may try making linen underwear in this shape to see how I like the fit.

Thanks for the links.
James Barker
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#6
Maybe this is the source for Kneibundhosen? heh Martin? :wink:
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Quote:Maybe this is the source for Kneibundhosen? heh Martin? :wink:

:? lol: :lol: :lol:
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A quick and poor quality photo from Karl Schlabow's 'Textilfunde der Eisenzeit in Norddeutschland' 1976 Neumünster ISBN 3 529 01515 6 Abb. 191-195b

[Image: IMG_1594.jpg]

Description on pages 79-80

Please notice that the trouser and sleeveless short tunic appeared associated to a possibly female body... :roll:

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(01-25-2007, 02:21 PM)James B. Wrote: I have been reading a book called Viking Clothing by Thor Ewing. He talks a bit about Roman and Migration era clothing as a lead up to Viking clothes, an evolution of sorts.

In the parts about Roman stuff he mentions a wool tunic and short from Marx-Erzel Germany but gives no date to the find. Anyone know anything about this find? Here is an illustration I did of the pattern in the book based on the breeches find:

[Image: breeches.jpg]

Thanks

Karl Schlabow wrote the article "Textile Findings from the Iron Age in Northern Germany" in the yearbook of the provincial Museum of Hanover, 1909-1910, 2nd part of Fibel and Fibeltracht, De Gruyter, ISBN: 978-3011-026848-5.  This is the reference to the original find. In the USA you can get a copy of it from the Library of Congress, talk to your local public library about how. The dating is still disputed; I have read of claims from 1st century to 4th. I have never seen the date suggested as BC until the post on this page. You might like what was written about it on the web by ATIMA Historical Costumes.
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