01-19-2007, 06:24 PM
This republican soldier what type of helmet uses?
Moncada MartÃn, Gabriel / MARCII ULPI MESSALA
type of helmet
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01-19-2007, 06:24 PM
This republican soldier what type of helmet uses?
Moncada MartÃn, Gabriel / MARCII ULPI MESSALA
01-19-2007, 06:27 PM
Cavalry helmet, Weiler type? Just a wild guess.
Robert Vermaat
MODERATOR FECTIO Late Romans THE CAUSE OF WAR MUST BE JUST (Maurikios-Strategikon, book VIII.2: Maxim 12)
01-19-2007, 06:38 PM
Negative, this soldier is of infantry.
Moncada MartÃn, Gabriel / MARCII ULPI MESSALA
01-19-2007, 06:38 PM
Looks vaguely Gladiatorial ..... provocator ?
Conal Moran
Do or do not, there is no try! Yoda
01-19-2007, 06:49 PM
Another soldier and the same helmet
Moncada MartÃn, Gabriel / MARCII ULPI MESSALA
01-19-2007, 07:42 PM
Spanigh light infantry during the Punic Wars wore something similar. Round, no cheeks, no crests, little decoration. It was a sinew cap, not a metal helmet.
I haven't seen anything else like it until the late Empire, around 350 ad.
Globuli Non Ludibrii
-- Felix Canus_____ -- Cedric Einarsson
01-19-2007, 10:57 PM
Quote:Looks vaguely GladiatorialThat was my thought -- the shield on the right looks trapezoidal, but is that just poor sculpting?
Dan Diffendale
Ph.D. candidate, University of Michigan
01-19-2007, 11:18 PM
Provocators are quite out of the question I think!
They had just one leg protection on the shield-leg and no mail shirt!
Lucius Domitius Aurelianus
Patrik Pföstl <a class="postlink" href="http://www.roemer.ch.vu">http://www.roemer.ch.vu <a class="postlink" href="http://www.celtae.de/SihFrewen/index.php">http://www.celtae.de/SihFrewen/index.php .
01-19-2007, 11:25 PM
Isn't this one of the Osuna reliefs referred to in H.R.Robinson, The Armour of Imperial Rome, London, (1975) and also published in: Historia de Espana (1954) 1.3 p.555 fig.481-2, and Historia de Espana (1955) 2 p.5f fig.3f ?
01-20-2007, 12:07 AM
Quote:Isn't this one of the Osuna reliefs referred to in H.R.Robinson, The Armour of Imperial Rome, London, (1975) and also published in: Historia de Espana (1954) 1.3 p.555 fig.481-2, and Historia de Espana (1955) 2 p.5f fig.3f ? Do you know when it dates to? It definitely seems to be a gladiatorial relief.
Ruben
He had with him the selfsame rifle you see with him now, all mounted in german silver and the name that he\'d give it set with silver wire under the checkpiece in latin: Et In Arcadia Ego. Common enough for a man to name his gun. His is the first and only ever I seen with an inscription from the classics. - Cormac McCarthy, Blood Meridian
01-20-2007, 12:27 AM
I admit: The helmets are strange!!!! They really looks a little bit like provocator helmets too! But all the rest let me believe that this two persons aren't Gladiators!!!!!! If the helmets would be the closed Provocator helmets like they seem a little, the shields wouldn't match to them because of the different timing position!
Lucius Domitius Aurelianus
Patrik Pföstl <a class="postlink" href="http://www.roemer.ch.vu">http://www.roemer.ch.vu <a class="postlink" href="http://www.celtae.de/SihFrewen/index.php">http://www.celtae.de/SihFrewen/index.php .
01-20-2007, 10:40 AM
I found a photo of a bust of Pyrrhus (Pirro) wearing a similar but more ornate pot helmet. The caption lists it as being in the National Museum in Naples.
The Pyrrhic helmet is a similar pot-helm design with cheek pieces secured by a strap running from the chin along the jaw line to the back of the helm. The carving above has had a lot of wear, and although the vertical carving looks like an upright strap, could it be a cheek piece that has been distorted by weathering?
Globuli Non Ludibrii
-- Felix Canus_____ -- Cedric Einarsson
01-20-2007, 08:54 PM
In Spain, all the hulls of type montefortino found and studied, they were not carrying the cheeks pieces. A study I reveal that some of them carried straps with clasps and another isolated find, cheeks pieces of leather with adornments of semispheres of bronze. This soldiers' sculpture was found in Osuna (Seville) and dated between the centuries III-II B.C.. Also figures were situated in parade with animals for the sacrifice. These helmets seem not to take cheeks, but a vertical strap and other two that divide from the neck-guard nape to the low part of the jaw.
Moncada MartÃn, Gabriel / MARCII ULPI MESSALA
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