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Correct centurion.
#1
Hi again. I am working on doing a portait of a Centurian say 100-200AD and was wanting feedback on the options for correct gear.

And to give you an idea of what I want to do is this. I have this picture in my mind of soilder who has seen many battles and is a little mature. Say like master sergeant who has seen WW2 and Korea if you know what I mean.
Patrick Lawrence

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#2
There's an image of a centurion from 1st cen AD on page 173 in Warfare in the Classical World (John Warry, Univ. of Oklahoma Press, Norman OK, ISBN 0-8061-2794-5). I don't have a scanner working, so I'll try to describe it.

He's wearing a variant of hamata that curves down over the lower belly (or perhaps curves up over the hips). The shoulder sections extend over the upper arm (horizontal line from the pit to the upper bicep). It does not look like overhang or sag, but looks like it is made to intentionally cup over.

The subarmalis is a bit odd, and this may be artistic license. It hangs below the hamata to the knee and is rather ornate, with gold trim and small tassles along the lower edge. It's sectioned like in a linothorax. Actually, it hangs in two layers. The outer layer stops just below the crotch, and the second hands to the knees. The outer layer does not have tassles. The sleeves are made the same way, but in a single layer that drops almost to the elbow, and also has tassles.

Pugio hangs on the right hip on a narrow belt, long gladius on the left from the clasped baldric (worn over the belt, not under). There is no cingulum.

He's got two demi-greaves that cover the knees and are rather ornately engraved.

And the vinewood cudgel. Can't forget the cudgel.

Hope that helps.
Globuli Non Ludibrii

-- Felix Canus_____
-- Cedric Einarsson
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#3
Here are two grave stele of actual centurions in the RA Image Database:

http://www.romanarmy.com/cms/component/ ... Itemid,94/
http://www.romanarmy.com/cms/component/ ... Itemid,94/

The first wears hamata, the second squamata, and both have pteruges (the strips coming from beneath the armour). Pteruges are often discussed and there are two main camps of opinion of what they are made: multiple layers of linen sewn or glued together to make strips, or leather. There are also suggestions of wool and felt. For more info see Travis Clark's comprehensive website:
http://astro.temple.edu/~tlclark/lorica ... m#pteruges

You should also get your hands on Graham Sumner's [amazon]Roman Military Clothing 1[/amazon] for an examination and reconstruction of clothing for the period.
TARBICvS/Jim Bowers
A A A DESEDO DESEDO!
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#4
(slightly off-topic)

Haven't seen Travis on the boards recently. Hope he is well.
Franklin Slaton
Semper Ubi Sub Ubi
Your mother wears caligae!
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#5
Travis is stressing to finish his PhD thesis. Big Grin
Greets!

Jasper Oorthuys
Webmaster & Editor, Ancient Warfare magazine
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#6
Ahhhh....that would explain it....hope he does well.

How did yours go Jasper?
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Magnus/Matt
Du Courage Viens La Verité

Legion: TBD
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#7
Aaaaalmost done. By the time I know the date for the official exam, I'll let y'all know. You're all invited. Big Grin
Greets!

Jasper Oorthuys
Webmaster & Editor, Ancient Warfare magazine
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#8
even I ?????

Hahahahaha

M.VIB.M.

About the Cent... wear a mail shirt, greaves and vitus and you cant go wrong......
Bushido wa watashi no shuukyou de gozaru.

Katte Kabuto no O wo shimeyo!

H.J.Vrielink.
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#9
A good facial scar or two might be a good idea or maybe a missing finger? And equipment with clear battle 'scars' too- a dent in the helmet that's been hammered out, for example.
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#10
as long as you dont have YAKUZA tattoos all over your body the missing finger could be very nice!!

:lol:

M.VIB.M.
Bushido wa watashi no shuukyou de gozaru.

Katte Kabuto no O wo shimeyo!

H.J.Vrielink.
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#11
Sorry it took a while to respond. For some reason it did not email me saying I had a response. Any way I have about 80% of the image done so far. This image is just a portrait really but everthing is heavly weathered with mud and blook splatters plus scars etc. He is wearing segmentata since I have some to use as reference. Helmet is italic d or pretty close to it. Any way I should have it done this weekend and I will post it so everyone can take a look.
Patrick Lawrence

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#12
Also next time I will probobly do a full length action portrait with some more interesting gear.
Patrick Lawrence

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#13
Well its all done but I have to wait for the connection to start working again correctly before I can upload it. I will try again later tonight.
Patrick Lawrence

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#14
All evidence for transverse crests comes from the 1st century (and from the 5th century BC). As I stated elsewere, I think centuriones ceased wearing crests when the common legionaries did. Otherwise they would have been too conspicious. Conversely I am of the opinion that all legionaries wore crests in battle before the adoptions of cross braces.

Vegetius says that the transverse crests were part silvered. I think that he is confused and it's actually the helmets that are part silvered. The Niedermörnter helmet of the 2nd century AD and the Nijmegen helmet (aux cav H) have very similar silvering and neither has a crest.
On top of that the Niedermörmter helmet has the name of the legion and that of it's owner on the peak, but not the centuria. This would be apt only for centurions. Senior ranks would only be temporarily assigned and junior ranks would allways be on the rolls of a centuria.

Therefore I propose the Niedermörmter helmet (not in the Deepeeka version, because that has no silvering or other decoration).
drsrob a.k.a. Rob Wolters
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