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need your help and comments
#1
Discovered this piece in a small museum, I would appreciate your comments and thoughts on this piece,
length is +/- 20cm - 22cm iron with two brass rivets in the schoulders


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I hold my interpretation for later

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#2
Where is it from? what is the green/blue thing with it?
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#3
It just could be a pugio blade, with the two copper rivets for securing the hilt-plates. If the hilt was organic rather than metal (as with the Velsen pugio) then that might explain things. All assuming that it was found in a Roman context, of course.

Just a possibility.

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#4
:oops: right, I forgot to mention that, it is from a undisturbed roman context, the greenisch part is heavily corroded bronze, no details yet
I will make an appointment and go back to study the pieces closer,
at the same time take a dive in the reserve, there is a nice collection of shoe parts, leather fragment and a leather workers tool set :o

but let us first concentrate on the iron object Smile

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#5
From what I can gleam from the pic I'd also go for a badly corroded pugio blade

Quote:I will make an appointment and go back to study the pieces closer,
at the same time take a dive in the reserve, there is a nice collection of shoe parts, leather fragment and a leather workers tool set

That would be extremely interesting to see (for me at least :-) ) )
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#6
I would agree! PUGIO!!!!

M.VIB.M.
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#7
Yes, most probably, a pugio blade. Could we see a detail of the point area?
Also, the bronze thing could be part of the sheath (or not :? ) but we can see very little of it to even guess anything.
Shoe parts, leather fragments, yum, yum! 8)

Aitor
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#8
thanks for your input,

a badly corroded Pugio blade was my first thought to, now I know its no wish full thinking of my Pugio weak brain

in the museum it is labeled as a " part of a sword " it has never been published, Confusedhock:

now they are searching the dig report under the dust for me, its a find in situ Big Grin from 1990 so it will take some time, well I think in a fortnight I will have something more to tell,

Cheers Luc
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#9
Gaius Marcus and Aitor

the bronze piece is heavily corroded so its difficult to make out what it is,
it should be military.

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I will take a closer look when I go back to see the reserve

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#10
Glad so many people said pugio, I thought that but to chicken to say so.... :oops: is the tip the remains of the scabbard, or is it just corrosion?
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#11
Pfeeew.. Hard to say anything ont he copper alloy plate without having it properly examined... Sad
I am thinking the same thing about the tip, Byron 8) but we need a detail pic.

Aitor
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#12
I agree with the identification as a pugio blade. The length certainly fits nicely into the known range of lengths. I might even go out on a limb and say that given the shape of the shoulders of the blade (which seem to be complete) it could be a type 'B' blade. However, I can see what looks a bit like of a midrib at the top end of the blade, along with a couple more bits further down, suggesting a type 'A' blade, although it could just as easily be rust deformation. Like most of the other people who have so far commented (I suspect), I would like to see an x-ray. Hopefully the museum has one. Hopefully they have a good drawing too. I would also like to know the width of the shoulders.

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#13
I now, many questions, I will try to answer them all when I've been back to the museum and have the reports in my hands.

Cripvs, I will open a new topic that need your atention

Luc
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