Helmet identification

[geala]

Hello,

does someone know this helmet? What is the timeframe and by whom was it used? Unfortunately I don't know where it was located.
Could I use it for a 4th century BC reenactment of a Greek peltast?

It looks a bit like a Pilos helmet with some improvements for better protection (but it is not conical) or a Phrygian helmet without the dwarf image peak. :lol: I don't think it's a Phrygian with the peak lost.

An additional question: does somebody know examples of the helmet with cheekguards?

Thank you
Wolfgang Zeiler

[Tib. Gabinius]

Hi Wolfgang,
also it would be easier for me to answer in our forum in german i ll try

It's a bit rare material to get an impression, and also a localisation of the found would be helpfull.
For me it looks a bit thracian or like the attic of the Antikenmuseum Inv. L40.
In my opinion, without clear informations about the helmet i wouldn't use it for reconstruction, a regular pilos would make more sense in my eyes, espc. for a peltast.

But perhaps you ve luck and someone in here knows this fragment.

[hoplite14gr]

Mainland Greece troops would probably be more traditional
but mercenaries in Zakanthos (Sagounto-Spain) Massalia (Gaul) or from the Krimean colonies would carry more "exotic" equipment.
I am of the impression that this piece would be appropriate for a tooper of Krimean or Pontic colonies. See the map section tochoose a city.
Kind regards

[geala]

Hello,

thank you for your answers. It is not exactly what I wanted to hear (because I like the helmet :lol: ) but you are right of course. Without more informations about the finding etc. it is to hazardous to take it as an example for a replica. It's a pity.

I would prefer a Pilos but it is difficult to get one. And it seems to be not so easy to make one from one piece of bronze. That from ManningImperial (made of several pieces) has a kind of ridge which is not that authentical and, worse, delivery time would be 16 months.

Kind regards
Wolfgang Zeiler

[Jason Hoffman]

I think it looks like a Macedonian 'Phrygian' that has hd major work done on it the peice at the back appears welded on and the rivets at the back seem to imply that this work was not done at the same time as the welding.

I think were are looking at the result of at least two alterations

JMO

Jason

[Kallimachos]

Jiassou Jason,

why do you think that this is a Makedonian helmet?

[Robert Vermaat]

Can this be Byzantine?

[Tib. Gabinius]

I think no. The form, espc. of the edges, would maybe really fit to some mac. but i dont believe it's byzantine.
Without more informations, everything can be, but i guess no.

geala, take a look at "rudis Künstlerwerkstatt" in the web. He offers some "Helmkalotten", perhaps he will be able to do a piloshelmet also.

[Tib. Gabinius]

lol great work D

[Kallimachos]

Great work Gioi, as always :-) lol:

[Jason Hoffman]

Have a look at the quality of form work at the front of the helmet. It is far better than the bending at the back . Anybody who can do that quality of work is not going to put those 4 rivets at the back! anybody who can weld bronze is also unlikely to rivet the back like that.

[Kallimachos]

Point taken Jason, it's a possibility