Reenacting 9AD

[Gaius Julius Caesar]

You asked this on page 1 Byron..

Same answer..
The later Montefortino types.

Certainly Coolus types up to and including the D.

Gallic types A through to C.

Italic types A and B

Port types too

:oops: :oops: :oops: so I did....nice castle....hmmmm nice castle....
Sorry, too many things on my mind right now, my apologies to all!

[Gaius Julius Caesar]

This helmet from Augsburg Oberhausen is also a possible choice, it is dated to 15 BC (!)
Can´t help that it doesn´t fit into the typology.


"Imperial Gallic H"

Well that makes for a more interesting selection....adds to the possible choices anyways...

Thanks guys!

[caiusbeerquitius]

What???

Yes, it was among the findings from the Roman military depot which was located at the confluence of the river Lech and the river Wertach. The depot was destroyed in a flood shortly after 15 BC. So 15 AD is a tpq, but with a very small tolerance, since a new camp / depot was buildt right afterwards on the hill where the later Augusta Vindelicum (Augsburg) was founded.

[Marcus Mummius]

What???

Yes, it was among the findings from the Roman military depot which was located at the confluence of the river Lech and the river Wertach. The depot was destroyed in a flood shortly after 15 BC.

Impressive, I didn't know that. Thanks for telling this Christian

[caiusbeerquitius]

Welcome.

[Crispvs]

I didn't know that either - thanks.

However, as it is essentially the same as helmets known to have been in use at the time of the Iceni revolt in AD60, I think that there is a greater likelyhood that it dates to the mid first century AD and ended up with the earlier items by the same process which moved them to that spot in the first place. If they were found at the confluence of two water courses that might cause all sorts of items to get washed into the same spot whilst originally being picked up from a number of places. Working on the rationale of the helmet having entered the water as a dedicatory deposit, I see no reason why it could not have been moved downstream by floodwaters and movements of river silts and deposited at the confluence with the earlier items. This is not to state catagorically of course that it could not date from AD15 but that I think there are still good grounds for believing that it may date to the middle of the first century AD or slightly later. After all, flooding and its consequences are unlikely to have occurred only once.

Crispvs

[caiusbeerquitius]

I agree, however this helmet was found together with all the other items from the depot in a very (!) confined area under a layer of at least 12 meters of rubble. No other objects from later on were among these findings. The flood seems to have been quite excessive, which explains why all the material (originally more than 10.000 objects, altogether weighing over 400kg) was buried so deep. See :

Hrsg.: Bayerisches Landesamt für Denkmalpflege, Die Römer in Schwaben, München, 1985²

W. Hübener, Die römischen Metallfunde von Augsburg Oberhausen, Materialh. Bayer. Vorgesch. 28 (1973).

Unless some Roman later on came by and dug a deep hole in the river bank right into the depot, mixed the helmet into the objects and closed the hole again, it is rather improbable that the helmet dates to a later period. Or the finders mixed the helmet secretely into the findings. Since both these events are rather unlikely, I vote for the early dating.
Oh, and it is not AD 15, it is 15 BC.

[Crispvs]

What is the dating evidence? It is dated by coins or something else?
Also, can we be sure that the two depots could not have been contemporary for some time, one perhaps having been built as an adjunct to the other?

Crispvs

[caiusbeerquitius]

There is only one depot. It is dated quite safely with more than 100 kg of Terra Sigillata (samian ware) shards and more than 380 coins. We´re talking of the worldwide largest find of military objects from the Early Augustan era here...

[Gaius Julius Caesar]

Sounds pretty solid evidence to me...but who am I to think such things??? 8)

BTW Caius, did you get my e-mail?

[MARCvSVIBIvSMAvRINvS]

any other photographs, info or a website on this particular find?

M.VIB.M.