Cohortal reform

[Mitra]

Yes i know, the argument is tough; for this i want to make a poll. What is the decisive argument for your choice?

[Robert Vermaat]

Define 'cohortal reform'. Do you mean the first time the army is organised in cohorts?

[Mitra]

Define 'cohortal reform'. Do you mean the first time the army is organised in cohorts?

Yes the legion (leave apart the alae sociorum) from manipulars to cohorts organization

[SOCL]

That's still rather vague. :? ?

[Mitra]

That's still rather vague. :? ?

This is only one of theories Luciano (evidently your vote is for "Marius"). I have demanded what theory is preferred by each.

[SOCL]

That's still rather vague. :? ?

This is only one of theories Luciano (evidently your vote is for "Marius"). I have demanded what theory is preferred by each.

I only chose "Marius" because it was "middle of the road". I still don't quite understand your question. Are you asking when the so-called "Marian Refroms" actually occured or when cohorts came into existance?

[Mitra]

I prefer the term cohortal reform (marian reforms implicitly make enter the cohortal legion in other Marius, historically sure, reforms) , but is when the legion begins to be organized in cohorts.

[SOCL]

I prefer the term cohortal reform (marian reforms implicitly make enter the cohortal legion in other Marius, historically sure, reforms) , but is when the legion begins to be organized in cohorts.

Hence why I said so-called Marian Reforms. Now I understand what you mean more fully, and now that I do, I realize I should not have voted "Marius". Rather, had I more clearly understood, I would have voted pre-Marius. :lol:

[Mitra]

Hence why I said so-called Marian Reforms.

Is only my explication why I used cohortal reform, not a critique.

Why pre-marius?

[Kate Gilliver]

Any chance of adding a category of "I don't think it was a reform but rather a gradual evolution during the second half of the 2nd century BC and the early years of the 1st century BC?"
:wink:

[Mitra]

Kate, i used "reform" only for explication, also the gradual or rapid evolution enter in the vote: the gradual evolution enter in pre-marius . If on want to make specifications leave a post.

[Kate Gilliver]

It's ok, I was only being pedantic!!!




ps - Inter or AC? Whichever, it was a cracking game!

[Mitra]

Milan , semper fidelis

[SOCL]

Generally, it seems that when someone is accredited with some revolutionary reform, the reform itself had already occured or was already in the works; that particular character is rather the one who brought the reform to a historical light. It merely seems likely that Marius was the most prominent of those who pushed, encouraged, and/or implemented the reforms.