Leather Bag

[Gaivs Antonivs Satvrninvs]

Beautiful work,Martin. Thanks for sharing.

[Caballo]

One laudes doesn't seem enough! Many thanks,

Cheers

Caballo

[Robert]

Given the fact that this bag remained out of our view for such a long time and the need for good doc's on bags and satchels, could we start a info thread to accumilate data on leather objects in Roman times as has been done for the helmets? This way, we could pool our resources. Quite some leather was recovered in the two well documented castella in Holland, I would be more than willing to start a proper search here amongst the archeological fraternity.
By the way, I too feel Martin did a great job on the reconstruction. I was puzzled by his comment on black leather, though, most scabbards in use in re-enactment seem to have a covering of fine black leather. Is it the colour under question or the methode of dyeing? The dyeing was beautifully done!

[LUCIUS ALFENUS AVITIANUS]

Impresionant work, Martin.

You are a leather artist!

A question. I know it's dificult to say but, that kind of bags could be used as a loculus to carry items at a legionary sarcina?

I remember some parts of another bag, a little more decorated, but probably easy to made and not so complicated as the usual bags reenactors use as loculi.

[M. Demetrius]

Not that it matters a lot, but the leather punch I'm talking about is the kind you use for lacing slits. It makes a flat hole about 1.5 mm long. The tool looks like a fork. There are different ones of them, some have as many as eight prongs. Makes short work of the punching process. I generally cheat and use cement to hold the parts together while stitiching, especially on something like those narrow border edges.

[Martin Moser]

I was puzzled by his comment on black leather, though, most scabbards in use in re-enactment seem to have a covering of fine black leather. Is it the colour under question or the methode of dyeing? The dyeing was beautifully done!

Sorry for being not clearer on this: I meant the dyeing in itself. Black leather is certainly mentioned for shoes and I suppose there will be other literary references for it as well. However not much, if anything seems to be known about how leather was actually dyed back then, at least I never heard anything about this. That's why I started to look around and experiment a little, the way of dyeing described above being my first try.

Very good idea btw. with the leather stuff "database", I'd certainly contribute!

[Carlton Bach]

Sorry for being not clearer on this: I meant the dyeing in itself. Black leather is certainly mentioned for shoes and I suppose there will be other literary references for it as well.

The decorative leather applique on the En Gedi drawstring bag is described as 'black', though the publication doesn't give any details on how that was achieved. So using it for contrast effect on bags is attested at least in the Roman environment.

[James B.]

Thanks for the extra pictures Martin they are helpful, I have several goat skins sitting around for just such a project.

[QFirmus]

any hope of seeing those pix from teh book about the wooden boxes and lead temples..etc?

Most eager

Thanks

[Martin Moser]

any hope of seeing those pix from teh book about the wooden boxes and lead temples..etc?
Most eager

Why sure, go here: http://www.romanarmy.com/rat/viewtopic.php?t=11635

[Martin Moser]

The decorative leather applique on the En Gedi drawstring bag is described as 'black', though the publication doesn't give any details on how that was achieved. So using it for contrast effect on bags is attested at least in the Roman environment.

Thanks for confirming that, Volker! Could you please let me kow the exact reference for that publication? TIA!

[Carlton Bach]

The decorative leather applique on the En Gedi drawstring bag is described as 'black', though the publication doesn't give any details on how that was achieved. So using it for contrast effect on bags is attested at least in the Roman environment.

Thanks for confirming that, Volker! Could you please let me kow the exact reference for that publication? TIA!

It's Yadin, Y.: The Finds from the Bar Kokhba Period in the Cave of Letters, Israel Exploration Society, Jerusalem 1963, Ch 9 (leather objects) pp, 158-162. The object is referred to as 'purse No 2'. A drawstring purse about 30cm deep and a little taller, made of red-dyed sheepskin leather with a black leather applique rosette and two black leather fringes of no practical function. Looks rather pretty.

[aitor iriarte]

Would it be possible to see drawings, pics... of that drawstring purse?
Thanks,

Aitor

[Robert]

Sounds like more poeple would like a "leather item picture database" :lol:

[Martin Moser]

It's Yadin, Y.: The Finds from the Bar Kokhba Period in the Cave of Letters, Israel Exploration Society, Jerusalem 1963, Ch 9 (leather objects) pp, 158-162.

1000 thanks and 1 laudes :-) )