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Hunnish swords etc
#31
That is the Hunnish sword replica.
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#32
Whats the historical basis for the replica? I've never seen an example of a curved blade that was used by the Huns. I've seen countless examples listed of straight, double edged Sassanian style blades though. People tend to think Asia and they picture curved blades, but while there were examples, popularity varied between straight and curved blades at different times in different places. It is unclear where the Huns originated from. Often they are linked with the Chiang-nu. The Chiang-nu used double edged straight blades. Straight blades were the norm in China whether double or single edged during the Hunnish periods. Heian period Japanese blades were straight and double edged. Its not so odd that they used straight blades when you examine the trends of the time. Just because they are known for cavalry does not mean they used curved swords. Straight blade vs. curved blade with cavalry use has varied in popularity even within cultures. The straight sword can be a very useful cavalry weapon. It is the Mongols that are more known for the use of the saber. In the medieval period East trends changed to favor curved blades more.
Derek D. Estabrook
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#33
Hallo Ironhand.

In this website you see, at the dig site found hunnish sword.

http://istvandr.kiszely.hu/ostortenet/037.html
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#34
Quote:Hallo Ironhand.
In this website you see, at the dig site found hunnish sword.
http://istvandr.kiszely.hu/ostortenet/037.html

The image at that website shows a medieval sabre (szablya). Such weapons are dated to the 11th - 13th centuries. I can't read Hungarian, but in the text such dates are mentioned too.
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#35
Thanks to both of you. It pretty much verified my opinion though its a bit misleading since the grip style was fairly common in the Merovingian Period, though I've never seen a curved sword with it. It is possible that it is either a remount or more likely that it shows that people had a much longer memory and familiarity with the past than we think they do. They must mean Hun as in Hungarian apparently and not Hunnish as in the Huns. i wonder how often such terminology leads to miscommunication.
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#36
There is a curved sword which is exhibited in Vienna. It said to be this is "the sword of Attila." Of course it isn't but caouse misunderstandings.
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Miles Gregarius
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#37
Hello.

In this site you see this is "the sword of Attila."

http://web.cetlink.net/~szittya/olvasmanyok3.htm

Attila never see this sword Cry

This sword same thing the Hunnish, Hungarian, Avarian sword. This people in weapons not knows, what is the obsoletes?
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#38
Something I'm curious about is the curved hilt. I wonder how comfortable it would be to use. Anyone know?
Derek D. Estabrook
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#39
Hello Ironhand.

I know. :lol: " The curved hilt " It's simple. Smaller power, bigger blows by sword. Not tired the hand.
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#40
Thanks.
Derek D. Estabrook
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#41
Hi Robert.

" The image at that website shows a medieval sabre (szablya). Such weapons are dated to the 11th - 13th centuries. I can't read Hungarian, but in the text such dates are mentioned too. "

In this text have an explanation from 1247. How used correctly the curved hilt. first choice cost a blow. Second choice the sting, on horseback.

This foto Hunnish chef burial
http://www.sulinet.hu/eletestudomany/ar ... onyak.html
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#42
Hi All.

I got some interesting information. In the present, of West scientific, the Celtic tribes come from indo-european. Really? :lol:

In the celtic language this word SABA= cutting. In Hungarian language the sword=kard,/ this sword have not curved hilt/ but we have another word, this is the the curved hilt. This Hungarian word S Z A B L Y A. Cutting=szabni,vágni. The Polish language curved hilt = SZABLA,SZABLI. Come from Hungaryan language. Many, many war side by side. :wink:
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#43
I think these swords that are being auctioned are indeed Hunnish but could also be Alanic swords. They resemble other Hunnish swords very closely, e.g. the Pokrowsk, Dmitrowka and Abrau-Durso swords which have been identified as being either of Hunnish or Alanic origin (source: Istvan Bona; Das Hunnenreich, 1991)
Vihirma
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#44
In the West the "Sword of Attila" is known as the "Sabre of Charlemagne" - though it's not appropriate to Charlemagne, either. It's certainly a steppe cavalry weapon, and has been connected to "Old-Hungarian" finds at Martan-Cu in modern Russia (? - maybe no longer Russia since the downfall of the USSR) dating to(I think) the 10th century AD.

The swords aren't something I know much about, but I have to say that helmet looks a little too clean and un-corroded to be that old. The plates and the nasal look like they were made yesterday. I have to say I'm very skeptical.
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#45
Do you know the alan' sword of Brout?
The length of its handle remains a great mystery...


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