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The HILT... no, not the official Leeuwen hilt.......
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Length top to bottom: 10.5 CM
width crossbar 7.4 CM
width top knob 3 CM
width center knob 2.8 CM
Length bottom center knob to crossbar 3 CM
Length bottom of top knob to center knob 1.5 CM
Well thats it!!!!!!!!
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The grip plates look familiar..
Did you get them from Len Morgan?
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Hiya peroni!
Well They might well be his! i traded them with Maarten Dolmans of the gemina for the original Leeuwen hilt in cast iron which i didnt like and his didnt fit his pugio....... a while back that is!! at least four years.....
probably will drill one more hole in the top knob... so it will be a three studded one!
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Aitor,
Thanks for posting up that picture. Normally I too would say that my interest is limited to 1st century AD daggers, but as I come ever closer to writing a book about pugiones I have realised that I need a much better knowledge of both earlier and later types. It strikes me that this example looks quite a lot like the example from Buciumi (?spelling). How big is it?
Robert,
I have had a good look through my collection of pictures an articles and I have no information on any Roman daggers from Leiden. I have been trying to locate this dagger since your request but have found nothing so far. Do you have a reference to an article it was published in which I could follow up?
Also, a note on terminology (the terminology I use at any rate):
"Crossbar" - Guard
"Top knob" - Pommel expansion
"Centre knob" - Central expansion
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The balde looks very well. You say it's cast... So, what material it's.
The hilt have one problems: It's cast, and not a conformed sheet of brass. Iron, probably have been a more common choise...
Where are you going to drill the holes? Have yet one drill at the top?
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Crispus,
Unfortunately, I couldn't take measurements through the showcase! 
(Moreover, I found the politic about taking pics at the Burgos Museum to be rather erratic, once I was allowed to take pics but no video, another time, only video but no pics, one third time, neither of both... :roll: )
I can tell you that it is one of those big third century pugiones, sorry!
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Lucius, true, bronze (which the dagger hilt is cast in) is probably not entirely correct for this dagger type..... any info on bronze hilts which have been found???
and i am still looking for correct surplus iron ones..
the blade is high grade cast Iron, hammered and quenched. i have ruined various sanding tools on it, and even a disc cutter was to little effect... however i found that natural stones... (like the Japanese use) works better than any other sharpening and polishing tools!
i am also thinking of trying to make a true Hamon into this blade..... (but not sure)
one hole in the middle of the top knob that will be....
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http://romancoins.info/IMAG0081.JPG
If you look at the top of the knob, you can see 3 rivets at the upper side. At the front side of the knob, usually are only two (or one).
The pugiones what have the 3 rivets are maded in that way: the hilting sheat is only one piece folded over the upper part of the knob, and the 3 rivets are only for decoration.
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On that type, yes...
but study closely the other DUTCH daggers, and you'll see some are definetely riveted all the way through.
might just make a totally new hilt from bone, ivory or wood...........
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Sorry for the confusion, I was refering to the pugio marked "16" on romancoins, which is in the Leiden museum :oops: I am really looking for early pugios with slender mainz shaped blades, not the later cleavers 
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Aah, thank you Robert. Now I know which dagger you mean. Other than that same picture I have no further information on that particular dagger and sheath, but when I get a reply to the enquiry I have sent off, hopefully I will know more. The "slender Mainz shaped blades" tend to be type 'B' pugio blades with sunken midribs incidentally.
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Could you give me some info on the thickness of this type of blade. They all look so massive in the pictures and I am struggling with the dimensions a bit.
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which one is that then? i dont know it...
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The thickness of pugio blades varies, as does the shape of the cross section, between blades. Some are relatively thin, whilst others are really very thick. The thicker ones tend, for obvious reasons, to slope sharply down to an edge quite close to the edge of the blade. What mattered, it seems, was not so much the weight of the blade but the fact that it could be given a sharp edge.
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That makes sense! What are the dimensions of "relativly thin" by the way. I have never held a proper pugio, so forgive my ignorance in these matters
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