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"How to" make a pugio
#46
Hi Cesar,

I am making a pugio with a tang and a narrow blade, so I can not use the copper rivets to fix the tang to the wood. How did the tang stay in place? It does not go the full lenghts of the handle, so will it be clamped between the wooden slabs or is there evidence for another kind of construction? I'm doing a slender bladed "Leiden" type pugio of the first century, and these are poorly documented (few finds), as there seems to be a gap between early Republican pugios and the later Empire ones. Perhaps someone else has some pointers? Looking forward to your next fotographs, great work so far on the scabbard! Big Grin
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#47
Aparently, with the rod tangs, the rivets don't pass trough the tang. Probably the pression maked by the organic parts let the piece to stay, and probably some of them were riveted at the upper part of the pommel.

In that sense, CHAPMAN 2005: A catalogue of roman military equipment in the National Museum of Wales, BAR British series 388, 2005.

At pag. 22 says: "The Usk find suggests that the handles on most, if not all, first century military daggers were similar regardless of type of tang".
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#48
The scabbard is finished.

I have maked the holes for the rivets, put all pieces together and rivet them.

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To rivet, i put some metal plates each group of rivets at the back side. That's the back:

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#49
Looks great!
Eric

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#50
Great job Avitianus!!!! :wink:
And finally, you cover the handle with metal?
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#51
Cesar,

I cannot believe that I had not noticed this thread until now!!! Congratulations on a very good job! Big Grin

Also, I should say that I am sorry that I did not get you the information you asked me for some time ago. You have done just fine without my input however. Laudes to you!

Galla,

He could cover the handle with a thin layer of embossed iron, but as he has already put in all of the handle rivets I think this is something he has decided not to do. I have no problem with that as I think it is entirely possible that some pugio handles did not feature an iron our layer.


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#52
Wow- that is a great piece and a really great how-to Cesar! Big Grin
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#53
congratulations, great job. Big Grin

Hephestus
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#54
Sorry Cesar,

I have just looked back over the whole thread and see that you do indeed intend to put an iron outer layer onto the handle. I take it that you will be securing it by rivetting through the ends of the guard. Will this be a single piece of embossed iron, such as the example from Colchester which passes over the pommel expansion to cover both sides, or will it be two separate pieces? Also, will you be putting on a top plate or the three decorative headed nails which are found on a number of surviving ones (such as the top plate from Velson)? I look forward with some excitement to seeing more. I am particularly interested to see how you form the further metal parts. Metalwork has always been the area where I have been weakest. I can do the wood, bone and leather parts on my own but I always have trouble creating the metal parts.
As you know, I am slowly working on a pugio of my own but of a slightly different type. Hopefully I will be able to post up as helpful a 'how to' as you have here when I finish it. In the meantime I am finding your's very interesting.

Crispvs
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#56
Who are these guys Gioi? SCA?
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#57
Quote:Who are these guys Gioi? SCA?

I think its very clear, I found it searching for images, properly for my post, the rest were Naziies ...gosh!
  
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#58
Crispus:

I will make a single piece folded at the top, with 3 rivets decorative at the top.

The rivets used at the moment are only for secure the wood parts, like some real pugios have. I prefer to work the wood "in place", and for that i need that rivets.

I will put two more rivets at the extrems of the guard, one at the central expansion of the tang and two more at the pommel (an the 3 ones at the top, of course)

Initially i have thougt to put ones with coral heads, but probably that are more common on earlier pugios with A sheaths.

What do you think? Coral ones or silver ones?

Hephestus:

Coming for an armourer like you, i thanks for your compliments. Mille grazie per voi!

Comerus:

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FAVENTIANVS:5xo3qpwp Wrote:Who are these guys Gioi? SCA?

I think its very clear, I found it searching for images, properly for my post, the rest were Naziies ...gosh!
What key word did you used for the search for Jupiter sake!!! Confusedhock:
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#60
They obviously don't know the difference between horizontal and vertical. (orientation of the palm, I mean)
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