Late Roman Segmentata?!?!

[FAVENTIANVS]

From the French Late Roman Forum, a very interesting thread...
http://111935.aceboard.fr/111935-542-54 ... ive.htm#vb

[Neuraleanus]

As far as I am aware, use of the lorica segmentata ended by the mid 3rd century, not quite what I label as late roman.

[Robert Vermaat]

From the French Late Roman Forum, a very interesting thread...
http://111935.aceboard.fr/111935-542-54 ... ive.htm#vb

Ivan, we talked about this not long ago:
http://www.romanarmy.com/rat/viewtopic. ... segmentata
Apparently it's being discussed on the XX International Congress over Roman frontiers in Leon.

[Caius Valens]

Hi Caius here , hey Robert could you keep us informed about this .It sounds very intresting hock: The idea of late Roman troops running around in Seggie Armour. Perhaps by then it was considerd old kit and given to Auxillarys or allies?. :lol: If true it would really shake things upa a bit.Cheers Thomas R Caius :?

[Magnus]

AH ZUT! Je ne parle pas le francis tres bien!

I should take a darn refresher course.

[FAVENTIANVS]

I've always thought in Canada people also spoke French! hock: Or just in Québéc?

Have you tried with www.babelfish.altavista.com ?

[Robert Vermaat]

So far, I'm not convinced by what I've read from that 2001 JRMES article. In there, it seems the evidence for late 4th and even early 5th c. remains seem to consist only of some washers and other tiny pieces that could be associated with the lorica segmentata. That alone won't convince me that the segmentata continued to be produced (which is different than just 'used') throughout the 4th c.

Does anybody know of loricae segmentata being shown in, say, late 4th c. artistic representations?

[Paulus Claudius Damianus]

I've always thought in Canada people also spoke French! hock: Or just in Québéc?

Have you tried with www.babelfish.altavista.com ?

On a plus de Chance de trouver des Canadiens parlant Français au Québéc que dans la partie anglophone du Canada. Vive la Nouvelle France! Vive le Quebec!!! (plusieurs des meilleurs artistes triomphant en France sont Québequois ou... Belges!)

[Tarbicus]

On a plus de Chance de trouver des Canadiens parlant Français au Québéc que dans la partie anglophone du Canada.

Too right. You can't even emigrate to Quebec anymore unless you pass a French exam.

[Octavianus]

The paper talks about a workshop from the last quarter of the 3rd century AD. They have found enough sigillata and coins to clearly date the excavation level.
The fragments found there are more than 90, between them some tie rings, 11 lobate hinges, 5 embossed washers, 4 hinged strap fittings, 1 hook, 5 pieces of binding for lower girdle plates, 18 leathering rivets, 9 river tips, 10 medium rivets with a concave circular head, 1 nail of brass with a conical head filled with lead, 1 pin with a spherical head, 7 bars, sheets, rings or uncertain items, and 1 fragment of iron sheet corresponding to a girdle plate.
I have read the paper only two or three days after having discussed with some of my commilitones that romans NEVER have used concave nails filled with lead, as they have done on his caligae... :oops:

Octavianus / Jorge

[Robert Vermaat]

I'm by no means anywhere near a segmentata expert, so maybe someone could help me out. Are all these tiny metal objects indeed to be identified ONLY with a segmentata? Or can they have been used on other things as well, armour or non-armour, civilian even?

[Octavianus]

I am not a segmentata expert neither, but some pieces like the segmentata hinges are very well known and only used in the armour fabrication.
They have found also a lot of those tie loops exclusively used in the Newstead segmentatae. And the embossed washer (rosettes) used in armour and helmets.

Octavianus / Jorge

[Ebusitanus]

Octavianus...by any chance did you get the info about the other side of the spectrum? Like Segmentata use 30 BC?

Did you get my email btw?

[TITVS SABATINVS AQVILIVS]

From:
http://www.diariodeleon.es/se_cultura/n ... TO=4775739



Is actually this half pectoral a piece of that late segmentata, as they show in the article? hock:

Valete,

[Tarbicus]

Daniele, thanks for that article. A very rough English translation CAN BE FOUND HERE.

A more complete article is in 'A legionary workshop of the 3rd century AD specialising in loraicae segmentatae from the fortress in Leon (Spain)', by Joaquin Aurrecoechea & Fernando Munoz Villarejo; Journal of Roman Military Equipment Studies, Vol. 12/13