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Any thoughts/opinions of this helmet?
#31
It's classed as a G and certainly doesn't look anything like an A, or even a Port helm.
TARBICvS/Jim Bowers
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#32
"I don't think so, it's a type G."
"It's classed as a G and certainly doesn't look anything like an A, or even a Port helm"

It doesn't look like a 'G' either! I have to wonder who decided to classify it as such, as I am quite sure Robinson would not have.
I am unconvinced that this or a number of other more recently published helmets can comfortably be fitted into Robinson's typology. Robinson's typologies are inflexible in a way he probably did not intend and I agree with Mike Bishop that it is time we stopped trying to squeeze helmets into a typology which will not accept them and came up with something that was suitable descriptive and yet flexible enough to expand when it needs to. By this, incidentally, I do NOT mean I wish everything to be listed in the clunky format which relies on the findspot of one example to give a name to the type as a whole.

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#33
That is what I mean, it has a unique look to it, which is different and older in 'style than the other "G", and yet different to the other helmets, such as the coolus and the gallic 'a' jim mentioned.....
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#34
I think it's an early helmet too. If anything I'd class it as an Imperial Gallic type A. I base this on the lack of an ear cut-out in the cheek pieces, the pronounced and free standing ribs in the neck and the fact that the neck guard is not noticebly lower than the front edge.
drsrob a.k.a. Rob Wolters
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#35
Quote:I think it's an early helmet too. If anything I'd class it as an Imperial Gallic type A. I base this on the lack of an ear cut-out in the cheek pieces, the pronounced and free standing ribs in the neck and the fact that the neck guard is not noticebly lower than the front edge.

Also,the decoration around the brow reminds me of a Montefortino.I would vote early for this helmet as well.
Dave Akers.
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#36
The neckguard on this helmet is as low, if not lower than, the Besancon Gallic F. The eyebrows are also curved and not angular. Definitely not an early helm IMHO, and IMHO most definitely not a Gallic A.
TARBICvS/Jim Bowers
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#37
As I said above, it and a number of other helmets cannot be fitted within Robinson's very rigid typology, so please stop trying. :evil:
We can say with confidence that it is an early (possibly Augustan) Imperial Gallic helmet. Let's leave it at that shall we?

Crispvs
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#38
I just scanned through the exhibition catalogue "Krieg und Frieden" referred to in this discussion:

http://www.romanarmy.com/rat/viewtopic.php?t=17503

It looks wonderful and is a must-buy for me. It includes pictures of a helmet very similar to the Kessel helmet except that it has cheek guards and a neck guard! You can see the helmet from the bach here:

http://www.landesmuseum-koblenz.de/sond ... bae9bc0820

It was fond in a Celtic grave in Thür, Kr- Koblenz, Germany. It is amazing how many of helemts of this type appear to have been around for years without having been properly recognized, incl.:

the Frankfurt specimen
the specimen found in Poland and
the specimen from Idrija.

BTW, if you read German, I ordered my exemplar of the exhibition catalogue from this site:

http://www.wbg-darmstadt.de

It is a book club and you pay 11 EUR/year and have to order one book per year but you get a lot of Zabern and Theiss publications at reduced prices and the catalogue referred to above cost me only 19,90 EUR instead of 34.90 EUR. BTW: This is not an advertisement and I do not have any stake in that site!
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Jens Horstkotte
Munich, Germany
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#39
I would say it is an early helm! :twisted:
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