El Ninio & post Roman Britain

[ambrosius]

Hi Mike,

OK, back to those influences from Wales. You say that

"And from the 5th c. onwards, the only part of Britain still 'British' was Wales
& Cornwall. So of course the only appearance of contact between
Brittany and Britain will be with Wales & Cornwall from then on. But
that masks any migrations which took place previous to the 5th c. "

From the 5th c. onwards? So Britain outside Cornwall & Wales was conquered from 400 AD? That would be rich even for someone who staunchly supports the idea of an early massive Anglo-Saxon migration!

Oooh, that's a little naughty... Vorty! :lol: You've tried to
scramble what I said, but I think I can still unpick it for you:

Firstly, the 5th c. runs from 400-500, okay. You can take the year 500
as the starting-point for what I described as being the shrinkage of
British political dominion (apart from isolated enclaves) to just Wales
and Cornwall (Cumbria too, though they had less direct maritime
contact with Brittany - which was the point I was replying to). Secondly,
I think you'll find that Gildas implies this. He lists the only 'British'
kings remaining as being in Cornwall (& Devon) and Wales by the time
he is writing. Some take that as being c. 550, but I know you think
that should be earlier. But then, pushing it back nearer to 500 only goes
to support what I said, above, don't it? Thirdly, you leap back to
400, trying to make it look as if I claimed the Anglo-Saxon conquest
began then. Of course it didn't, and nor would I claim that. It began
c. 449 - everyone knows that! 8)

When I go on to talk about British migrations to Brittany before the
5th c. (N.B. not Anglo-Saxon invasions) this is talking about the first
wave of British migrants from the late 3rd c. onwards, who could have
originated from ANYWHERE in Britain. But because access by sea to
Brittany from the 5th c. onwards was restricted to ports in Wales &
Cornwall (& Devon) due to Anglo-Saxon invasions further East, then
this makes it look as if Britons are only leaving Britain from Wales &
Cornwall - even though most of them are probably refugees from
the East of England. There. I dare you you to misquote me on that!

Come now Mike, I thought I was the one making silly typos!

I agree. You are. :lol:

Ambrosius/Mike