El Ninio & post Roman Britain

[ambrosius]

Hi Agraes,

The second wave of settlement later in the Vth century. Ambrosius Aurelianus - also known as Emrys Gwledig - fleeing Vortigern in Britain, helped the Roman powers in Gaul against the Visigoth expansion, known here as "Riothamus". He was beaten by Euric, but he escaped alive, and after that he came back to Britain and defeat Vortigern, becoming the High King.

Heyyyyyy! My man! Another fan of Riothamus! D D
You probably know it was Leon Fleuriot who identified 'Riothamus' as
being a title - or honorific. Geoffrey Ashe identifies Riothamus as 'Arthur'
while the guys who wrote : The British Settlement of Brittany identify
him as Ambrosius Aurelianus.

And I especially liked that last part of your paragraph, above. D D
(But don't mention it to ArVee... he might get upset... :lol: :lol: :lol: )

Budic was probably a prince from Dyfed, and the alliance between Llydaw and Dyfed realised a true thalassocracy: the heir to Roman naval power, the Classis Armoricana, which defended the coasts and civilian shipping from Irish, Saxon and Frisian pirates.

Sounds good!

=Agraes]
Around 497 AD, a foedus, or treaty was conclued with Clovis's Franks. Clovis confirmed the autonomy of the Britons on the ancient civitas Veneti and Ossismi - Llydaw - and gave them the civita Curiosoliti. It was Riwall, or Riwallon, a prince from Dumnonia (Domnonia or Dyfneint), who took this territory. He drove out the Frisians and Goths installed there, and his new kingdom was also known as Domnonia, or Domnonée. Some even clamed that Riwall ruled both continental and insular Domnonia. This was the third wave of colonization.

I'm glad you see Riothamus as an insular Briton , by the way.
Some modern Welsh people try to write Riothamus-off as being just a
Breton, and living in Brittany all the time. They even try to pretend he
was the same as Riwall. But that's because they don't like the idea of a
British king sending 12,000 troops to Brittany to help the Roman Emperor
(Anthemius) as they hate everything Roman. They will say anything to
avoid seeing a Briton help a Roman.

It's estimated that around 100,000 Britons crossed the channel to settle Brittany, most of them from Dyfneint, but rulers and monks were often from South Wales.

Maybe that was so with the later migrations, and maybe
even for 450-500. But sailing from Dyfneint doesn't necessarily mean
they came from there. As I tried pointing-out to ArVee, they could
have been refugees from Eastern Britain looking for ships in the West
to take them to safety.

In Brittany, seven saints are recorded as the seven founders: Paulus Aurelianus, Brioc, Malo, Samson... Indeed St Gildas came to Brittany, at Rhuys, and it was there that he wrote his De Excidio Britanniae.

Wow! I'd be interested if you could provide evidence for that.
It would make sense if he did, I've just never seen the proof. 8)

Cheers,
Ambrosius/Mike