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Suspicious helmet found
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07-17-2006, 11:58 PM
From the French late Roman forum:
http://111935.aceboard.fr/111935-543-54 ... romain.htm ![[Image: 120px-Septimani_seniores_shield_pattern.svg.png]](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e2/Septimani_seniores_shield_pattern.svg/120px-Septimani_seniores_shield_pattern.svg.png) ![[Image: Estalada.gif]](http://webs.racocatala.cat/esteladaanimada/Estalada.gif) Ivan Perelló [size=150:iu1l6t4o]Credo in Spatham, Corvus sum bellorum[/size] 
07-18-2006, 12:08 AM
What does the inscription along the side say?
Titus Licinius Neuraleanus
aka Lee Holeva Conscribe te militem in legionibus, vide mundum, inveni terras externas, cognosce miros peregrinos, eviscera eos. <a class="postlink" href="http://www.legiotricesima.org">http://www.legiotricesima.org
07-18-2006, 12:35 PM
Can someone translate or comment on what the ideas around this item are? Thnx
![[Image: ebusitanus35sz.jpg]](http://img216.exs.cx/img216/8972/ebusitanus35sz.jpg) Daniel
07-18-2006, 01:07 PM
What they say on the forum is......(LIC)INIANA
Spectacular Prestige helmet of late 4th ,start of 5th century, coloured in bronze and Pierre ??? Height 30cm. My French is very rusty......
Cristina
The Hoplite Association [url:n2diviuq]http://www.hoplites.org[/url] The enemy is less likely to get wind of an advance of cavalry, if the orders for march were passed from mouth to mouth rather than announced by voice of herald, or public notice. Xenophon - 
07-18-2006, 01:09 PM
Pierre = (precious) stones
07-18-2006, 01:16 PM
Possibly may be a 19th century copy....hence the article regarding forgeries...
Dom is asking whether there is any provenance or references... and querying the green patina, as the helmet it usually plated... I need to take a refresher course... Basically they are contacting the auctioneer about the background....as they think it could be a copy...
Cristina
The Hoplite Association [url:n2diviuq]http://www.hoplites.org[/url] The enemy is less likely to get wind of an advance of cavalry, if the orders for march were passed from mouth to mouth rather than announced by voice of herald, or public notice. Xenophon -
07-18-2006, 02:33 PM
Hi,
Quote:Can someone translate or comment on what the ideas around this item are? ThnxPerhaps this page can help in these cases a little bit. If you use Firefox, then this extension or this extension can be useful. Greetings Alexandr 
07-19-2006, 02:44 AM
Looks a lot like the Fake helmet recently sold on Ebay.
Fake Helmet Only minus the inscription and Jewels. The seller for this item did admit to me that it was not genuine which was clear to me. It was however not mentioned on the sale page. It also looks a lot like the 5th Century Deepeeka reproduction. I'm not sure which original it was based on however. 
07-19-2006, 07:01 PM
Both helmets are clearly modern fakes, probably made in Eastern europe and copied from a Deepeeka helmet for display in some faux-antiquarian parlor. They could not possibly be 19th century fakes, since I believe the Berkasova-type helmets were not discovered until the mid 20th century. Interesting that whoever made them decided that green-patinated bronze looked better and "more ancient" than the gilded silver sheeting (or rusty brown iron) that would distinguish a genuine example.
T. Flavius Crispus / David S. Michaels
Centurio Pilus Prior, Legio VI VPF CA, USA "Oderint dum probent." Tiberius
07-19-2006, 09:16 PM
Quote:Possibly may be a 19th century copy....hence the article regarding forgeries...The Arthes' summary is good.  Dom says the inscription is inspired by the Berkasovo 2.[/quote]
ERWAN
07-22-2006, 03:38 PM
Totally fake!!!
Robert Vermaat
MODERATOR FECTIO Late Romans THE CAUSE OF WAR MUST BE JUST (Maurikios-Strategikon, book VIII.2: Maxim 12)
07-23-2006, 08:20 PM
[size=200:39p6msi8]It must be burn!!![/size] :evil:
Ivan Perelló [size=150:iu1l6t4o]Credo in Spatham, Corvus sum bellorum[/size] |
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