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jeweled Berkasovo helmet
#1
Which colors did the colored glass have in the original berkasovo helmet?

In pictures I see it having black and white stones/glass.
But with reproductions and painted drawings I see the berkasovo helmet having red and green colored glass.

I don't know if the color has faded or something that due to it's age... anyway it kinda confuses me. Perhaps somebody can explain?

Thanks Smile


front side original:
[Image: helmet26yu.th.jpg]

back side original (left one Wink ):
[Image: berkasovo0tn.th.jpg]


replica:
[Image: 111PDHL169A.jpg]
Thijs Koelewijn
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#2
I'll look it up shortly.
Robert Vermaat
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FECTIO Late Romans
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#3
Ok, here it is:

The stones, glass imitations of jewels represent 3 precious stones: emerald (green), onyx (with violet and white flames) and chalzedon (?) (dark blue with a black rim).

Quote from: Klumbach, Hans (ed.) (1973): Spätrömische Gardehelme, Münchener Beiträge zur Vor- und Frühgeschichte 15, (München), p. 19.
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#4
I've always asked myself what is the writing in greek on the side of the helmet and what it means... Unfortunately I don't know the ancient greek...
TITVS/Daniele Sabatini

... Tu modo nascenti puero, quo ferrea primum
desinet ac toto surget Gens Aurea mundo,
casta faue Lucina; tuus iam regnat Apollo ...


Vergilius, Bucolicae, ecloga IV, 4-10
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#5
Would that be the translation?

"DIZZON WEAR IN HEALTH - WORK OF AVITUS"
Tot ziens.
Geert S. (Sol Invicto Comiti)
Imperator Caesar divi Marci Antonini Pii Germanici Sarmatici ½filius divi Commodi frater divi Antonini Pii nepos divi Hadriani pronepos divi Traiani Parthici abnepos divi Nervae adnepos Lucius Septimius Severus Pius Pertinax Augustus Arabicus ½Adiabenicus Parthicus maximus pontifex maximus
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#6
Thanks a lot!
Is it too much If I ask for the exact greek writing too? I'd like to make a replica in fututre and I cannot read from the photos I have... Smile
TITVS/Daniele Sabatini

... Tu modo nascenti puero, quo ferrea primum
desinet ac toto surget Gens Aurea mundo,
casta faue Lucina; tuus iam regnat Apollo ...


Vergilius, Bucolicae, ecloga IV, 4-10
[Image: PRIMANI_ban2.gif]
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#7
That i don't have. I'm not that sure I have the right translation. But if you want to be sure ask Vortigern here on the forum. I found him somewhere on an other forum talking about this helmet.

http://p200.ezboard.com/fromanarmytalkf ... 21&stop=40
Tot ziens.
Geert S. (Sol Invicto Comiti)
Imperator Caesar divi Marci Antonini Pii Germanici Sarmatici ½filius divi Commodi frater divi Antonini Pii nepos divi Hadriani pronepos divi Traiani Parthici abnepos divi Nervae adnepos Lucius Septimius Severus Pius Pertinax Augustus Arabicus ½Adiabenicus Parthicus maximus pontifex maximus
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#8
Quote:I found him somewhere on an other forum talking about this helmet.
It's not another forum. It's RAT 'v.1' :wink:
Greets!

Jasper Oorthuys
Webmaster & Editor, Ancient Warfare magazine
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#9
Ahh the V.1... When the Ratters were young bad and grunting, on a black/red field Big Grin
TITVS/Daniele Sabatini

... Tu modo nascenti puero, quo ferrea primum
desinet ac toto surget Gens Aurea mundo,
casta faue Lucina; tuus iam regnat Apollo ...


Vergilius, Bucolicae, ecloga IV, 4-10
[Image: PRIMANI_ban2.gif]
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#10
On the original helmet it looks like the cheek pieces are curved, but I'm not certain.

Has anyone seen it from a front angle ?

If they are curved, I'd like to try to curve the ones on mine to match.





Theo
Jaime
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#11
Quote:On the original helmet it looks like the cheek pieces are curved, but I'm not certain.
Hi Jaime,
Yes, they're curved allright. No, I can't show you, I'm still in the process of getting my imagebase back... Cry
Robert Vermaat
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#12
Quote:Yes, they're curved allright. No, I can't show you, I'm still in the process of getting my imagebase back...

Thanks, Valerius. That's ok, I just wanted to know if they were curved. Now if I can get mines to do the same my helmet won't look so long (I think). Seems quite a challenge to bend them since they're so large :? )



Theo
Jaime
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#13
Theo, does this picture help you?
I have also bent my Burgh Castle helmets cheekpieces so they would be more convex. The problem is that without forging the cheekpieces tend to bounce back a bit...
Virilis / Jyrki Halme
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#14
Virilis, that photo sure does help ! Thank you Big Grin

May I ask how you bent your cheek pieces to make them more convex ?




Theo
Jaime
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#15
The cheekpieces of my helmet are made from mild steel. I just bent them against a corner of a chair :oops: ....
Virilis / Jyrki Halme
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