11-24-2005, 12:53 AM
What type of clothing and arms/armour did these troops use? Did they retain their Thracian tunics and boots, or did they use Macedonian/Greek apparel?
Thanks,
Johnny
Thanks,
Johnny
Johnny Shumate
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Agrianian javelinmen
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11-24-2005, 12:42 PM
They are probably the people that adopted South-Greek customs more than the others in the area. They had also a higher proprtion of archers than others. The evolution would start from extemely Thrakic to Gercianised.
Isichios wrote that they traced their ancestry from the AGREIIS of Argos. So their mane means that they were farmers (Greek: field= AGROS) and not just seminomadic sheep-herders. More on their uniforms as my research progresses. Kind regards Stefanos
HOPLITE14GR (aka Stefanos)
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07-14-2006, 04:10 PM
By the time of Alexander, I would assume they wore standard Greek clothing (sun hat, chiton, chalmys) and carried as weapons a pelta, sword and several javelins. Also, boots for the feet. Would there be archers and slingers in the group(Alexander's army)?
Johnny
Johnny Shumate
07-14-2006, 07:37 PM
Philip and Alexander deployed their archers in separate units 1000 Cretans and 1000 Macedonian Archers.
Paul Klos
\'One day when I fly with my hands - up down the sky, like a bird\'
07-14-2006, 07:48 PM
Paul,
Thanks for pointing that out... Who were the slingers at the battle of Issus that drove off the Persian left..? Agrianians..? Johnny
Johnny Shumate
07-15-2006, 01:09 PM
Where do you get slingers on the Macedonian right?
I looks to me like Alexander used only the Agrianians and Archers to drive back the Persian flanking attempt.
Paul Klos
\'One day when I fly with my hands - up down the sky, like a bird\'
07-15-2006, 11:53 PM
At Gaugamela I think Alexander had 1,000 Agrianians positioned with the Hypaspists
He generally seemed to to send the Agrianians in to fight skirmishes along with the Psoloi... At Issus the Paionians were with the Prodroimoi on the left...whether that is the Agrianians I don't know...a group of Agrianians were sent to attack the Persian far left flank He did use Agrianian archers in India as well as javelinmen... regards Arthes
Cristina
The Hoplite Association [url:n2diviuq]http://www.hoplites.org[/url] The enemy is less likely to get wind of an advance of cavalry, if the orders for march were passed from mouth to mouth rather than announced by voice of herald, or public notice. Xenophon -
07-16-2006, 12:10 AM
.........Arrian states "At the same time he further strengthened his right by a contingent of Agrianes and Greek mercenaries which he drew up in line, and so outflanked the Persian left." (Arrian Book II, 9)
Either Agrianian or Thracian slingers
Cristina
The Hoplite Association [url:n2diviuq]http://www.hoplites.org[/url] The enemy is less likely to get wind of an advance of cavalry, if the orders for march were passed from mouth to mouth rather than announced by voice of herald, or public notice. Xenophon -
07-16-2006, 01:13 AM
Arthes
I am unclear on your last post why does 'Greek mercenaries' equate to slingers or too Thracian slingers? All the sources distinguish between the Thracian and the Greek mercenaries, and why assume the Thracians would be slingers hardly a role they were commonly found in...
Paul Klos
\'One day when I fly with my hands - up down the sky, like a bird\'
07-16-2006, 09:55 AM
Quote:ArthesSorry, it was just the particular sentence from Arrian that said the Agrianians were positioned with the Greek mercenaries on the right... Thracian slingers did exist at that time, (Polyainos) I thought I saw a reference..
Cristina
The Hoplite Association [url:n2diviuq]http://www.hoplites.org[/url] The enemy is less likely to get wind of an advance of cavalry, if the orders for march were passed from mouth to mouth rather than announced by voice of herald, or public notice. Xenophon -
07-16-2006, 10:11 AM
Greetings.
You must ("TNarcher") be more specific about WHAT Time you speaking about the Agriane tribe. If you speaking about late Times, Phillip II & Alexander The GREAT's time, our dear Stefanos had answer perfectly already... If you speaking about OLDER Times, that's another story... Generally, about the Thracians, think about this: Northern & Northern-Eastern tribes, "Highlanders", had more Thracian elements, Scythian elements and CELTIC too... Southern tribes, OF COURSE, adopted many Greek elements; they were lived so near with the Greeks... Regards.
aka Romilos
"Ayet`, oh Spartan euandro... koroi pateron poliatan... laia men itin provalesthe, ...dori d`eutolmos anhesthe, ...mi phidomenoi tas zoas. Ouh gar patrion ta Sparta!" - The Lacedaimonian War Tune -
07-22-2006, 04:25 PM
Since the passage talks of "Greek mecernaries", then the slingers might be included in them. Thracian slingers were not unheard of but where uncommon. Sling was the animal herders´s weapon in mediteranean and midle east. Any culture could have them, although they would be uncommon or the exception in some of them.
Kind regards
HOPLITE14GR (aka Stefanos)
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