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Greetings,
I have been wondering about the helms/headwear worn on this depiction of Orpheus...
and are these linothorax actually covered with bronze scales.....or at least Achille's....?
Cristina
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I cant comment on the headgear but the linothorax is definatley depicted as having metalic scales, very common at the time this one was painted.
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The wounded hoplite can have a leather cap as well of linen or Jewish Yamaka according to sekunda...
Helmet can be painted in scales... The linothoraxes in my opinion is more obious to be bronze scales, than hand free paint...
Head gear below of the thracian guys can be of Raccon in my opinion, because I have one head gear too, Fox have thick tail but not with the lines like that...
Example: http://www.taxidermy4cash.com/raccon.JPG
http://www.mainerivers.org/images/species/fox.jpg
BTW: I always wondered, why if the Chalcidian with hinged cheek piece were so popular than corinthian helmet in vases greek art, why there is not evidence of those helmet today? except few in Italy?
Remarks by Philip on the Athenian Leaders:
Philip said that the Athenians were like the bust of Hermes: all mouth and dick.
I agree that the audience appear to be Thracians and would therefore be wearing fox-fur caps. I also agree that they LOOK more like raccoon. However, there are NO raccoons in Europe today (despite Disney sticking them in "1o1 Dalmatians" - blasted ignoramus. AND some British plonker put them in as a British species in a drama. Well, bang went my voluntary suspension of disbelief, I can tell you...rant, moan) and I don't believe there were then. I think the apparent banding on the tail may be an artistic convention.
On the helmets, I would think it's another convention - one that allows the warrior to be depicted with helmet on without hiding the face. Are there many depictions of Chalkidians with fixed cheekpieces?
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Quote:Are there many depictions of Chalkidians with fixed cheekpieces?
Yes I think I have many of them! :wink:
Remarks by Philip on the Athenian Leaders:
Philip said that the Athenians were like the bust of Hermes: all mouth and dick.
I'm from Missouri, not Ohio... :wink:
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Quote:I'm from Missouri, not Ohio... :wink:
What do you meant? :lol:
Well watching my book of Red figure Vases, also was numerus Chalcidian helmet without cheek pieces among hoplites & goddes Athena.
I may post them in other thread.... So I think I would buy the chalcidian helm with cheek piece that I show you!....
Remarks by Philip on the Athenian Leaders:
Philip said that the Athenians were like the bust of Hermes: all mouth and dick.
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Flora and fauna of Greece was substantialy different in ancient times but no racoons on even fosilised remains have been found.
There is still a type of gray fox with "rings" in her tail, saddly almost extinct now. The Thracian are probably the "fox-capped" Odrussae.
Their King Sitalkes had good relation with the Athenians and their "zeirae" have the designs ussualy assosciated with the Odryssae.
It was like tartan to the Celts these designs.
Headgear can also be red felt cup.
My interpretation of the headgear you will se in Watford
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Hang on, though, Dan. If so many finds of Corinthian helemets are of dedications and not grave goods, why are there (apparently) no dedications of Chalcidians?
