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Goths: Moving Whole Populations
#16
why do people perpetually discount army sizes etc these days? is it because of the lack of evidence of encampments [or cities] large enough or what?

did they have anything else to do but breed?

there are unexplored/undocumented/unexplained cities in the transdanube which you can readily see from space that confirm vast populations surrounded by huge/massive/unparalleled walls.

what kind of population would a 5000acre city hold? were there more poeple outside the walls?

interesting subject which includes international conspiracies, cover ups, infamous names, sex, violence and no pyramids

http://maps.google.com/local?f=q&hl=en& ... 068836&t=k

http://216.109.132.28/test.jpg
http://216.109.132.28/test1.jpg
http://216.109.132.28/t4.jpg
http://216.109.132.28/t6.jpg
http://216.109.132.28/over.jpg
http://216.109.132.28/col1.jpg
http://216.109.132.28/bath1.jpg
Sandy Webb
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#17
Hi Plodid,

Interesting pictures, but could you tell us where they are situated?

Also, please add your real name to your signature - that's a rule here on this forum.
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THE CAUSE OF WAR MUST BE JUST
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#18
oops, sorry. not a big rule reader. i believe i have the signature in there.

the pics are of a feature in romania, 10km north of timisoara. i've tried for 16years to get someone to tell me what it was. pretty hard when "noone knows" i guess.
Sandy Webb
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#19
Thanks Big Grin

It's sure big! From what I see, it could be an Iron Age hillfort, or if it's not on a hill, a settlement in various stages of development. Since settlement grow and shrink, what we see need not have existed at the same time. Or maybe it's some 'inner town', with a larger area 'fenced off' for livestock?
Robert Vermaat
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THE CAUSE OF WAR MUST BE JUST
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#20
i think its Attilas city of priscus built for him by the conquered farang [goths] and rum. it was later occupied by the gepids and avars [rhing]. it shares layout similarities with tongwan [outer city, inner city, palace city and inner sanctum]

the main walls cross over a known roman vallum and it sure looks like the baths which should be there are. the walls created lakes in the valley [maybe 5 ... ak-ink ... 5 waters].

eugene of savoyus cartographers felt it was roman
http://www.dvhh.org/mercydorf/info/imag ... sadany.jpg

also note name of the village Zsadany or Saden and Sadagariem

stop me if i sound insane ... if its not too late already.
Sandy Webb
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#21
Quote:i think its Attilas city.
Shoot me! Well, theoretically, why not? You can park a lot of tents and horses within those earthworks...
Robert Vermaat
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#22
here is a bit of a time saver.

from priscus==========================
http://www29.homepage.villanova.edu/chr ... mbassy.htm

P.fr .9 Having crossed rivers mighty indeed—namely the Tisia, Tibisia, and Dricca—we came to the place where long ago Vidigoia, the bravest of the Goths, perished by the treachery of the Sarmatians. Not far from there we reached the village where king Attila was staying, a village, I say, like a very large city, in which we found wooden walls made with smooth planks, their jointure imitating solidity to such an extent that the union of the boards could scarcely be seen by close scrutiny. You might see there dining rooms extended to a liberal circumference and porticoes laid out in all splendor. The area of the courtyard was bounded by a huge circuit wall so that its very size might show it to be the royal palace. This was the house of Attila, the king who held the whole barbarian world, and he preferred this dwelling to the cities captured by him.


from DEATH OF BUDA A Hun Legend
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http://www.mek.iif.hu/porta/szint/human ... epics1.htm

As from the distance one approaches a hive of bees,
he sees a few insects flitting here and there - a
thickening swarm, a darting dance, and then a buzz
and zoom.

The hive booms; in and out the door a thousand
shining bees are crawling back on back. So teem
the swarms of busy men as Attila's town looms up
ahead.

Buda's camp, I think, is nothing compared to these
crowds that come and go and these palaces of Attila
that stretch for miles into the fields, towering
into the heavens.

This is a great range where unbroken stallions run;
a vast field betwixt where warriors train; palace on
corral and palace on corral - it would be hard, indeed,
indeed, to count them all.

At the camp's outer edge stood the servants' tents
with poles of plain fir notched. Farther in, the
tents were finer, the joints fitted smoothly with
a plane.

The palaces of the chieftains are clustered here and
there - so many proud, so many royal homes. Town
within town passes into fields, with green stretches
of distance between.

Women dwell in their secluded towns and rule over
their courts. Krimhilda passes swiftly, if she desires,
over a hanging corridor to her lord Attila's tent.

All this is work of marvellous craft. The awl argues
dead trees into blossoms and new leaves, unlike before,
painted in oil and unfamiliar colors.

The leaves are blood-red, the blossoms gold; branches
twist into hissing dragons where green birds perch
silently, birdlike bells tinkling in their stead.

In the center on a high hill is Attila's tent, the
topmost point shaded by the ancient Turul, tremendous
wings spreading for a flight, and wrought of solid
gold by its maker.

The columns flow to the ceiling, coiling like tendrils
now this way now that, the wood plated with gleaming
gold, and velvet tapestries swelling between.


from gibbon [note the bit where he mentions deceit on huns part leading to confusion over the location]
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http://www.ccel.org/g/gibbon/decline/volume1/chap34.htm

he was admitted to the royal presence; but, instead of obtaining a decisive answer, he was compelled to undertake a remote journey towards the North, that Attila might enjoy the proud satisfaction of receiving in the same camp the ambassadors of the Eastern and Western empires. His journey was regulated by the guides, who obliged him to halt, to hasten his march, or to deviate from the common road, as it best suited the convenience of the king. The Romans who traversed the plains of Hungary suppose that they passed several navigable rivers, either in canoes or portable boats; but there is reason to suspect that the winding stream of the Theiss, or Tibiscus, might present itself in different places under different names.
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#23
to the moderator

would you mind if i created a thread about this Attila thing?
Sandy Webb
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#24
Why not?
Robert Vermaat
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