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300 the movie?
#46
Quote:Latest video journal for '300' can be found here......
[url:y7ivvhj4]http://www.apple.com/trailers/wb/300/feature5[/url]

Is it just me or does this thing give off a certain "vibe"?

Is that intentional?

Not that there's anything wrong with that though. :wink:
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#47
This is not what I saw at E3 last week, but it mirrors what they displayed for us.

Their martial arts expert said we really don't know what tactics the Spartans used so the production felt free to use martial traditions from many countries and many time periods in an attempt (one would assume) to make it look 'exciting' and action packed. Think of Achilles in Troy.

I am no expert on the ancient Greeks though I have read several of the standard texts and also The Gates Of Fire, but I have to wonder...

Do we really not know how they fought?

Did the Spartans fight bare chested?

At least they do have long hair, that is step above that old Hollywood warhorse The 300 Spartans.

I do realize this is based upon a graphic novel and will have a distinctive non-historical look to it, and that this is entertainment not history (The 1st Law of Hollywood) etc. etc. etc.

Even so, I have to wonder....

Will we ever see The Gates Of Fire ? (And that book had its problems too but is certainly closer than this film will be.)

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#48
Quote:Do we really not know how they fought?

I thought Troy did a good job of portraying single combat, with lots of leaping and shield work with spears. That is at least representative of what we see on pottery.

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#49
True enough, though I thought it a bit more "Crouching Trojan Hidden Greek" than Heroic Age warfare, but then again perhaps this is the way it was based upon what evidence there is. After all, Wolfgang Petersen was trying for a 'mythic' feel more than a historically accurate retelling of a famous war (as opposed to Das Boot).

On the other hand...

What I missed most in the film Troy were the gods. Petersen said he did not want another "Clash Of The Titans" and I can understand that, but they worked well in "Jason And The Argonauts" and it is too bad he could not find a way to make them work in this film. Perhaps he thought the inclusion of the gods would make his film too mythic in the worst way.

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#50
Quote:True enough, though I thought it a bit more "Crouching Trojan Hidden Greek" than Heroic Age warfare, but then again perhaps this is the way it was based upon what evidence there is. After all, Wolfgang Petersen was trying for a 'mythic' feel more than a historically accurate retelling of a famous war (as opposed to Das Boot).

Yeah, it was half fantasy and half poses based on the artwork, but they had to do something and it was nice they tried to pin the major frames to known works of art. particularly geometric and archaic era artwork. My biggest objection to the movie wasn't the armor or fighting, it was those stupid yurt huts!! What the heck do mongolians have to do with Ancient Bronze Age Aegean!? What a crock.

Quote:What I missed most in the film Troy were the gods. Petersen said he did not want another "Clash Of The Titans" and I can understand that, but they worked well in "Jason And The Argonauts" and it is too bad he could not find a way to make them work in this film. Perhaps he thought the inclusion of the gods would make his film too mythic in the worst way.

Actually, the one movie that handled this the best I thought, without making the gods look corny was the most recent Odyssey made for NBC.
Vanessa was an odd choice but I liked the way they handled them, sometimes showing them as objects of nature and other times as ordinary people.

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#51
'300' release date is set for March 16th, 2007
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#52
Well, Gerard Butler and David Wenham in nothing but a loincloth is an excuse to watch that movie, isn't it? Big Grin
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#53
BTW Since I'm no a specialist on Greek armour, and a friend just asked me about it, what did they wear? Can anyone here point me to some nice pics?
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#54
[url:14o3g5ib]http://spartanwarband.com/gallery/Reenactment/600_Shields_027[/url]
Something like our friend Athanasios and His Ancient Hoplitikon.... Big Grin
or [url:14o3g5ib]http://www.hoplites.net/[/url]
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#55
Great looking group of Hoplites. Thanks for the photo link Arthes. Smile

Based upon this photo, and what we have seen so far from the film production, unless the director plans to use CGI to "enhance" his costumes then the film's hoplites will look nothing like the ones in the photo above.

Of course, anything is possible. After all, not a single suit of armor was constructed for the last Star Wars film (Episode III) and yet the screen is alive with Clone Troopers wearing brightly painted armor as to put a rainbow to shame.

Perhaps this too is the plan for The 300 March To Glory. Perhaps...but I doubt it. We'll see in March of next year. :wink:

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#56
The second guy from the left has a lovely shield design. Tongue

Can it be the many statues of undressed Greek, mostly performing some sport, that gave the makers of 300 the idea the poor chaps didn't wear anything? I mean, the loincloths look like being there for the PG13 rating. :twisted:
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#57
Quote:The second guy from the left has a lovely shield design. Tongue

Can it be the many statues of undressed Greek, mostly performing some sport, that gave the makers of 300 the idea the poor chaps didn't wear anything? I mean, the loincloths look like being there for the PG13 rating. :twisted:

That's possible, though one would think the production team would know better.

My understanding was that the director was going for the same highly stylized look that was used for Frank Miller's other novel-into-film Sin City. If so, as I remember it, the Spartans are wearing armor in Miller's graphic novel.

Perhaps the director had a change of hear? A different idea? A better idea?

Reminds me of stars who refuse to wear helmets that cover their face. Actors seldom have a problem with that, but stars almost always do. :roll:

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#58
My friend wondered about the clothes, or lack thereof, because of this painting.

Can we say 19th century 'historical' paintings are fun? :lol:
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#59
Quote:
Narukami:1jq46om9 Wrote:Do we really not know how they fought?

I thought Troy did a good job of portraying single combat, with lots of leaping and shield work with spears. That is at least representative of what we see on pottery.

Travis

Yes we do-check "othismos true nature" in the Greek military history section.
The diractor of the film simply wanted to impress the lady viewrs with an eyefull of handsome men :twisted:
If somebody want to make anaccurte film knowldge is there.
Its only bussinessmen are not convinced that historical authenticity makes moany for them :evil:
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#60
Quote:The diractor of the film simply wanted to impress the lady viewrs with an eyefull of handsome men :twisted:
Well, us ladies have no argument with that...... :lol: :lol: although it would be much better if what they did have looked rather more authentic.... :wink:
Quote:If somebody want to make anaccurte film knowldge is there.
Its only bussinessmen are not convinced that historical authenticity makes moany for them :evil:
That's true.....look at all the nastiness Oliver Stone got for trying to make something close to authentic, but adding in some of the 'Hollywoodisms' that were obviously needed to get backing for the film....he made that film out of a long time admiration for Alexander .... not just as a potential money spinner...!
I would love to see the other two hours of 'cuts'.
There is nothing wrong with making a film, close to authenticity and still having nice looking men and women playing the roles.....but the public have to be pandered to.....
How often do late Romans get called 'Vikings' because they look nothing like the public's view of Romans for instance.
As for Helen of Troy being refilmed with Helen looking as she probably really looked [Image: HelenofTroy1.jpg]
(picture from http://www.arch-ant.bham.ac.uk ) and Paris dressed more like a Scythian :lol: Wouldn't it be good though...!
PS...I think this Helen looks beautiful....far more impressive than the 'usual' ones we see...
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