Lorica Musculata Photo Thread

[Praefectusclassis]

We've got one, of course, in the various galleries. If that's enough, I can just add a category.

[Sulla]

Is your gallery setup to only have smaller images or is that just what people uploaded? For example the way its setup on my site is you click on the normal size image to get the large image. Handy for looking at detials of statues etc. http://www.pwlawrence.com/portfolio/dis ... 0&pos=-113

[Praefectusclassis]

It is setup now to resize, but the newer version of the gallery software allows for thumbnail - big resized - original versions.

[Sulla]

Ya that would work much better as far as being able to see details. Any way maybe some other people will jump in with ideas etc

[tlclark]

The bandwidth of my site is limited. I am only one of about 20,000 students at Temple BTW.

I have much larger images of all of my photos, I just can't post them due to size constraints.

Also, I have tons of stuff on or related to Byzantine and Roman sites, all my own, and I am happy to share those as well.

If I can just dump these images off, I would be happy to do it.

Travis

[Sulla]

Really the more I think about it the more I think the project deserves a domain of its own. Some kind of Roman image database. But I dont really mind who starts it. But really I am up for about anything.

[Theodosius the Great]

......continued from the Pteruges thread (page 4)

Found some more officers with scabbards. The first two come from Rhodes (which obviously aren't shown in a battle context.) The third one is from the Aemilia Basilica in Rome.

The first one is definitely a late hellenistic one and is probably a bronze cuirass.

Look at the shoulder harnesses. They don't have the "jog" seen on most Roman cuirasses which is a hold-over from the linothorax.

Yeah, I should've picked up on that :oops: It's also conspicuously unadorned. I just googled the image under "Roman" and it popped up :roll:

Now look at your second image of the trophy from Rhodes. It looks like this Roman imperial example, also from the Athens museum.

http://astro.temple.edu/~tlclark/lorica ... hens2a.jpg

I'm betting that one is hadrianic. Nearly all of the really ornate ones are.

You mean my posting is hadrianic or yours ? Either way, that would explain why it's in Rhodes. Because judging purely by the helmet the statue looks like it's from the early Republic.

Now compare the style of harnesses and pteruges on the trophy above with this image of a late hellenistic equestrian statue.

http://astro.temple.edu/~tlclark/lorica ... nsdeta.jpg

It doesn't have the muscled shape, but all other features we associate with the musculata are there.

Oh right, there's no musculature whatsoever. I was so dazzled by the decoration that I never noticed ! :lol:

The musculata is really an odd duck, isn't it?

It sure is. Thanks for the insights, Travis.

[tlclark]

Now look at your second image of the trophy from Rhodes. It looks like this Roman imperial example, also from the Athens museum.

http://astro.temple.edu/~tlclark/lorica ... hens2a.jpg

I'm betting that one is hadrianic. Nearly all of the really ornate ones are.

You mean my posting is hadrianic or yours ? Either way, that would explain why it's in Rhodes. Because judging purely by the helmet the statue looks like it's from the early Republic.

Archaicisms are a bear! There are a lot of them in Roman art, particularly in trophies. My bet is the helmet is intentional Anachronistic.

The loricata from the Athens museum definitely is hadrian. The one from rhodes may be too, but it could be late 1st C. BCE or 1st C. CE, since the Augustan period has many of the same qualities of the hadrianic era, but my gut says hadrianic. I'd need a head on view of the cuirass. If it's got lots of sea animals and mythological characters that would nearly cinch it. There is a greater diversity in cuirass iconography in the Hadrianic loricata than in all the other periods combined.

The musculata is really an odd duck, isn't it?

It sure is. Thanks for the insights, Travis.

You're welcome!

[drsrob]

......continued from the Pteruges thread (page 4)

Found some more officers with scabbards. The first two come from Rhodes (which obviously aren't shown in a battle context.) The third one is from the Aemilia Basilica in Rome.

The first one is definitely a late hellenistic one and is probably a bronze cuirass.

Look at the shoulder harnesses. They don't have the "jog" seen on most Roman cuirasses which is a hold-over from the linothorax.

Yeah, I should've picked up on that :oops: It's also conspicuously unadorned. I just googled the image under "Roman" and it popped up :roll:

Is it intended to be bronze? The left shoulder is bared as is the armour is cut and hangs downwards from te right shoulder, suggesting a light plyable material like linen, wool or leather.

Now look at your second image of the trophy from Rhodes. It looks like this Roman imperial example, also from the Athens museum.

http://astro.temple.edu/~tlclark/lorica ... hens2a.jpg

I'm betting that one is hadrianic. Nearly all of the really ornate ones are.

You mean my posting is hadrianic or yours ? Either way, that would explain why it's in Rhodes. Because judging purely by the helmet the statue looks like it's from the early Republic.

The helmet seems to have a single piece cheek and throat protector. This makes it very much like the cavalry sports type G.

[Tarbicus]

There's an awful lot of 'bendy' armour amongst that lot :wink: :wink:

Thanks Sulla.

[tlclark]

Is it intended to be bronze? The left shoulder is bared as is the armour is cut and hangs downwards from te right shoulder, suggesting a light plyable material like linen, wool or leather.

I thought so too when I first saw it, but now I think we are misinterpreting damage to the cuirass as a fold in the armor.

Thanks for the info on the helmet!

On second look, notice how the baldric in each of these cases is not a strap, but a double cord with ties every few inches.

Never noticed that before!

Travis