The fall of the roman military power

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03-30-2006, 08:20 AM

Hi

I have just started reading "Barbarians Within the Gates of Rome
Study of Roman Military Policy and the Barbarians, Ca.375-425 AD
Burns, T S" and it looks like it's going give me some more insight in the reasons for the fall of the western roman empire. Is there someone who has already read this book?

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Quote:Yes, but the situation degenerated much further after his death. I think you agree with this also. Actually, you could say it started with Valens. IMO, he's the most culpable. It was his mess that Theodosius tried to clean up." -

I agree that he had to clean up the mess of Valens. It was Gratian who elevated him to Augustus and who send him also troops to counter the Goths. But what still wonders me is why he didn't deal them a death blow. The Roman Army was still very efficient and capable. Gratian still kept the Rhine and upper Danube frontier in check.

About cavalry I must agree with P. Lilius Frugius Simius but I forgot my source. Great post by the way.

Tot ziens.
Geert S. (Sol Invicto Comiti)
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The fall of the roman military power - by Antonius_X - 09-07-2005, 01:24 AM

Re: The fall of the roman military power - by Theodosius the Great - 09-07-2005, 05:21 AM

Re: The fall of the roman military power - by Jeroen Pelgrom - 09-07-2005, 08:11 AM

Re: The fall of the roman military power - by Robert Vermaat - 09-07-2005, 10:08 AM

Re: The fall of the roman military power - by Theodosius the Great - 09-07-2005, 11:09 AM

Re: The fall of the roman military power - by Artorius1960 - 03-22-2006, 09:05 AM

Re: The fall of the roman military power - by Jasper Oorthuys - 03-22-2006, 09:12 AM

Re: The fall of the roman military power - by Robert Vermaat - 03-22-2006, 12:22 PM

Re: The fall of the roman military power - by L.Valerius Gaudentius - 03-22-2006, 02:26 PM

Re: The fall of the roman military power - by Robert Vermaat - 03-22-2006, 02:40 PM

Re: The fall of the roman military power - by P. Lilius Frugius Simius - 03-22-2006, 04:01 PM

Re: The fall of the roman military power - by John M McDermott - 03-22-2006, 04:39 PM

Re: The fall of the roman military power - by P. Lilius Frugius Simius - 03-22-2006, 11:07 PM

Re: The fall of the roman military power - by Felix - 03-23-2006, 12:34 AM

Re: The fall of the roman military power - by L.Valerius Gaudentius - 03-23-2006, 02:23 PM

Re: The fall of the roman military power - by Aryaman2 - 03-23-2006, 05:57 PM

Re: The fall of the roman military power - by Robert Vermaat - 03-23-2006, 07:08 PM

Re: The fall of the roman military power - by Aryaman2 - 03-23-2006, 07:54 PM

Re: The fall of the roman military power - by Alexius - 03-23-2006, 08:54 PM

Re: The fall of the roman military power - by Razor - 03-23-2006, 09:06 PM

Re: The fall of the roman military power - by Razor - 03-23-2006, 09:35 PM

Re: The fall of the roman military power - by Theodosius the Great - 03-23-2006, 09:49 PM

Re: The fall of the roman military power - by Robert Vermaat - 03-23-2006, 09:53 PM

Re: The fall of the roman military power - by Razor - 03-23-2006, 10:18 PM

Re: The fall of the roman military power - by Felix - 03-23-2006, 10:33 PM

Re: The fall of the roman military power - by L.Valerius Gaudentius - 03-24-2006, 03:35 PM

Re: The fall of the roman military power - by Robert Vermaat - 03-24-2006, 06:29 PM

Re: The fall of the roman military power - by Felix - 03-24-2006, 08:49 PM

Re: The fall of the roman military power - by L.Valerius Gaudentius - 03-24-2006, 10:34 PM

Re: The fall of the roman military power - by Theodosius the Great - 03-24-2006, 11:07 PM

Re: The fall of the roman military power - by Artorius1960 - 03-24-2006, 11:18 PM

Re: The fall of the roman military power - by P. Lilius Frugius Simius - 03-25-2006, 12:01 AM

Re: The fall of the roman military power - by Artorius1960 - 03-25-2006, 12:38 AM

Re: The fall of the roman military power - by L.Valerius Gaudentius - 03-25-2006, 09:55 AM

Re: The fall of the roman military power - by L.Valerius Gaudentius - 03-25-2006, 09:56 AM

Re: The fall of the roman military power - by L.Valerius Gaudentius - 03-25-2006, 09:59 AM

Re: The fall of the roman military power - by Robert Vermaat - 03-25-2006, 10:45 PM

Re: The fall of the roman military power - by Robert Vermaat - 03-25-2006, 10:47 PM

Re: The fall of the roman military power - by L.Valerius Gaudentius - 03-25-2006, 11:15 PM

Re: The fall of the roman military power - by P. Lilius Frugius Simius - 03-26-2006, 02:03 AM

Division of the Empire - by Primitivus - 03-26-2006, 02:46 AM

Loyalty in the Legions - by Primitivus - 03-26-2006, 03:02 AM

Mercenaries - by Primitivus - 03-26-2006, 03:05 AM

Re: Mercenaries - by Thiudareiks Flavius - 03-26-2006, 07:41 AM

Re: The fall of the roman military power - by Robert Vermaat - 03-26-2006, 09:34 AM

Re: The fall of the roman military power - by L.Valerius Gaudentius - 03-26-2006, 09:58 AM

Re: The fall of the roman military power - by Robert Vermaat - 03-26-2006, 10:13 AM

Re: The fall of the roman military power - by Razor - 03-26-2006, 12:31 PM

Re: The fall of the roman military power - by Robert Vermaat - 03-26-2006, 01:53 PM

Loyal Mercenaries - by Primitivus - 03-26-2006, 08:43 PM

huns: aliens never seen? NO. - by Goffredo - 03-27-2006, 11:03 AM

Re: The fall of the roman military power - by S SEVERUS - 03-27-2006, 11:22 AM

Re: The fall of the roman military power - by Theodosius the Great - 03-27-2006, 12:03 PM

Re: The fall of the roman military power - by P. Lilius Frugius Simius - 03-27-2006, 01:26 PM

Re: The fall of the roman military power - by S SEVERUS - 03-27-2006, 02:30 PM

Re: The fall of the roman military power - by Aryaman2 - 03-27-2006, 06:09 PM

Decline in the Infantry - by Primitivus - 03-27-2006, 06:23 PM

Re: The fall of the roman military power - by Theodosius the Great - 03-27-2006, 10:39 PM

Re: The fall of the roman military power - by S SEVERUS - 03-28-2006, 10:27 AM

Re: The fall of the roman military power - by S SEVERUS - 03-28-2006, 10:34 AM

Cavalry - by Primitivus - 03-28-2006, 05:38 PM

Re: The fall of the roman military power - by P. Lilius Frugius Simius - 03-28-2006, 08:04 PM

Re: The fall of the roman military power - by Theodosius the Great - 03-28-2006, 10:29 PM

Re: The fall of the roman military power - by Felix - 03-28-2006, 10:47 PM

Re: The fall of the roman military power - by S SEVERUS - 03-30-2006, 08:20 AM

Re: The fall of the roman military power - by Tarbicus - 03-30-2006, 09:26 AM

Re: The fall of the roman military power - by L.Valerius Gaudentius - 03-30-2006, 01:24 PM

Re: The fall of the roman military power - by Robert Vermaat - 03-30-2006, 05:32 PM

Re: The fall of the roman military power - by L.Valerius Gaudentius - 03-30-2006, 05:37 PM

Re: The fall of the roman military power - by Robert Vermaat - 03-30-2006, 05:57 PM

Re: The fall of the roman military power - by L.Valerius Gaudentius - 03-30-2006, 06:06 PM

Re: The fall of the roman military power - by Aryaman2 - 03-31-2006, 11:00 AM

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