08-10-2006, 11:53 AM
Not wishing to cause any offense here...as I see from an 'outsider' point of view...
The problem is similar to the powers that be in Athens declaring Sparta does not have any descendants of the original Spartans (they all went to live in Mani, I believe) so Leonidas does not belong to Sparta, but Greece and uproot his statue to Athens. (Which would anger me even as a non - Greek)
My view considers the original towns, borders and the nationality that the heroes concerned considered themselves to be, not who may or may not live there now or what their language has evolved into....unless the current occupants are attempting to destroy the remnants of the earlier history etc (but hasn't that happened as long as man has existed :? )
Of course, if I were Greek or Macedonian I would probably have a totally different viewpoint on this.
I don't agree that because the modern language is a Slavonic one, that none of the ethnic Macedonians can still exist or have Macedonian bloodlines....
Consider the Britons and Anglo Saxons....we don't speak Brythonic in England now, the language of Wales is the last remnant (in the West of England a version of Brythonic was still spoken up until the c14th) and they do not consider themselves the same race as the English, (even if some of them have a mixed ancestry) and I don't blame then... :wink: lol; Yet, there are many 'English' speaking the language of the Anglo Saxons who have that original Brythonic or Celtic blood in their veins and dislike being lumped in with the 'Saxons' - myself included...!
Saxons were a minority of the 'invaders', the majority were (after the Romans left) Jutes and Angles from Denmark and later Normandy (Norse-French)....yet we speak a minority Germanic language and are called 'Saxons' as a result by the Gaelic and Cymric speaking peoples of the British Isles (Scots, Irish, Welsh, IOM, West Welsh, etc)
If, as you say, the Macedonians spoke a dialect of Dorian, then how would we be able to trace if some of them moved into another Dorian speaking area of Northern Greece for example after the Slavonic invasions or if those that remained in Macedonia adopted a minority language?
A difficult problem to solve I know.... :?
regards
Arthes
The problem is similar to the powers that be in Athens declaring Sparta does not have any descendants of the original Spartans (they all went to live in Mani, I believe) so Leonidas does not belong to Sparta, but Greece and uproot his statue to Athens. (Which would anger me even as a non - Greek)
My view considers the original towns, borders and the nationality that the heroes concerned considered themselves to be, not who may or may not live there now or what their language has evolved into....unless the current occupants are attempting to destroy the remnants of the earlier history etc (but hasn't that happened as long as man has existed :? )
Of course, if I were Greek or Macedonian I would probably have a totally different viewpoint on this.
I don't agree that because the modern language is a Slavonic one, that none of the ethnic Macedonians can still exist or have Macedonian bloodlines....
Consider the Britons and Anglo Saxons....we don't speak Brythonic in England now, the language of Wales is the last remnant (in the West of England a version of Brythonic was still spoken up until the c14th) and they do not consider themselves the same race as the English, (even if some of them have a mixed ancestry) and I don't blame then... :wink: lol; Yet, there are many 'English' speaking the language of the Anglo Saxons who have that original Brythonic or Celtic blood in their veins and dislike being lumped in with the 'Saxons' - myself included...!
Saxons were a minority of the 'invaders', the majority were (after the Romans left) Jutes and Angles from Denmark and later Normandy (Norse-French)....yet we speak a minority Germanic language and are called 'Saxons' as a result by the Gaelic and Cymric speaking peoples of the British Isles (Scots, Irish, Welsh, IOM, West Welsh, etc)
If, as you say, the Macedonians spoke a dialect of Dorian, then how would we be able to trace if some of them moved into another Dorian speaking area of Northern Greece for example after the Slavonic invasions or if those that remained in Macedonia adopted a minority language?
A difficult problem to solve I know.... :?
regards
Arthes
Cristina
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The enemy is less likely to get wind of an advance of cavalry, if the orders for march were passed from mouth to mouth rather than announced by voice of herald, or public notice. Xenophon
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