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Reclining to Dine
#16
Thanks to all!<br>
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Vortigen(or may I call you Robert?), thank you for reminding me of the Vergilius Romanus. I could not get the other image to load (the box says it's illegally displayed!) but don't fear. I have other sources for the "Little Hunt." The scene from Vergil seems to try to capture the moment at the opening of Book 2: ".. inde toro pater Aeneas sic orsus ab alto:" as Father Aeneas from his high couch began."<br>
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He tells the story of Troy's last night seated. One imagines the hearers either sitting or reclining as the mood strikes them. I suspect that conversation (especially an animated discussion) actually involved many shifts in position. Some experiments with my group have involved the varieties of ways to sip liquid out of a Kylix without ruining the clothing.<br>
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Thanks again everyone. I hope to have some good photos in a couple of weeks when I give the new version of "Symposion et Convivium" at a university in my state during an actual "convivium." They say they have a perfect couch. We'll see. There are some links on my website from previous year's presentations there (Louisiana Tech Honors Colloquium Annual Convivium). Many of the students are very creative in their costuming.<br>
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Wade Heaton<br>
Lucius Cornelius Libo<br>
[email protected] <br>
www.togaman.com<br>
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P.S. Hi, Robert! I noticed the FECTIO link in your last post and not only is that a great website with lots of resources, but I envy your ability to be in Europe with other interested parties and close to new archaeological finds and actual Roman sites. Bona Fortuna! BTW, the links to the last years' conivivia have been changed or deleted. Too bad; some of the students costumes were interesting. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://pub27.ezboard.com/bromancivtalk.showUserPublicProfile?gid=togaman>Togaman</A> at: 10/1/03 4:15 pm<br></i>
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#17
I was teaching a class in my university's library today and trying out a new database (Project Muse) and as an experiment I tried my test search term "toga." One of the first hits I got was the following:<br>
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"Horizontal Women: Posture and Sex in the Roman Convivium" by Matthew Roller; American Journal of Philology 124 (2003) Johns Hopkins University Press<br>
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It printed out almost 60 pages. I haven't had time to digest it yet, but here's a preview:<br>
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ABSTRACT: This paper examines literary and visual evidence for women's dining posture at Rome. I distinquish actual social practice for the ideology of representation, while recognizing their interdependence. Contrary to the view that "respectable" women dined seated until the Augustan era, I argue that a woman (of any status) could always dine reclining alongside a man, and that this signifies licit sexual connection. The sitting posture. seen mostly in sub-elite visual representations, introduces further complexities of practice and ideology. In general, postures attributed to women<br>
function more as indicators of sexual mores than as direct representations of social practice.<br>
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The subheadings are:<br>
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I.&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Introduction<br>
II.&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Dining Men: Posture, Leisure, and Privilege<br>
III.&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Women's Dining Posture: Literary Representations<br>
IV: &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Women's Dining Posture and Family Values on Sub-Elite Funerary Monuments<br>
V.&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Women's Dining Posture and Sub-Elite Self-Reflection in Pompeiian Painting<br>
VI.&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Conclusion: Horizontal Women in Ideology and Practice<br>
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And just in time for my presentation too! So remember ladies (and gentlemen) YOU ARE HOW YOU SIT!<br>
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Wade Heaton<br>
Lucius Cornelius Libo<br>
[email protected] <br>
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www.togaman.com <p></p><i></i>
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#18
hee hee<br>
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heres a few more images on these pages for you<br>
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[url=http://www.romanauxilia.com/Exploratio/leiden/leiden1/leiden26.htm" target="top]leiden museum[/url] <p><img src="http://www.ttforumfriends.com/images/forum/co.gif"/><br>
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#19
venicone,<br>
&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp I will have some comments on the article this weekend; while there are some of his interpretations of monuments I have trouble with, it is a very full survey of literary sources. I already had many of them, but some of Cicero's "courtroom" invectives for impuning the characters of his opponents were new and deliciously exact. Interestingly, one of your new post's images, the second reclining male, is one of this article's evidence for a newly freedman citizen ("sub-elite") showing off his new status. The three legged table for the cups and dishes is a big status symbol according to this author, but your picture shows the detail much more clearly than my printout. Thank you again, indeed.<br>
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Wade Heaton<br>
Lucius Cornelius libo<br>
[email protected] <br>
www.togaman.com<br>
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P.S. loved the figures with the crocodile and the standing couple has some interesting clothing. <p></p><i></i>
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#20
thanks togaman<br>
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more images being added all the time - once its complete we will launch the website<br>
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feel free to browse ! <p><img src="http://www.ttforumfriends.com/images/forum/co.gif"/><br>
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#21
Hmmm, I await further information with bated breath. I'm beginning to think this is something I'll have to try sometime (With my husband, of course--so as not to appear improper). Not having the right sort of couch though, one would have to improvise.<br>
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Wendy <p>"I am an admirer of the ancients,but not like some people so as to despise the talent of our own times." Pliny the Younger</p><i></i>
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