Sword Identification and Location
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Sword Identification and Location
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I am looking for information on this sword. What type is it? Year era? And where is it now?
If anyone has information on it I would greatly appreciate it. Thank you. 
08-30-2019, 06:06 AM
(This post was last modified: 08-30-2019, 06:18 AM by Crispianus.)
(08-30-2019, 02:58 AM)Pointer Wrote: I am looking for information on this sword. What type is it? Year era? And where is it now? My guess would be its 3rd century AD, dont think thats the full sword blade possible a moorfund? otherwise I cant help, broadly similar objects (blade pommel scabbard furniture) have come out of Illerup, see: "Illerup Adal, Die Schwerter" vol 11-12 German text heavily illustrated and the best books of their kind that I know off, a mine of info. The Illerup finds are currently in the Moesgaard Museum outside Arhus Denmark, last time I looked, though I dont think this sword and scabbard is part of that. 
Ivor
"And the four bare walls stand on the seashore. a wreck a skeleton a monument of that instability and vicissitude to which all things human are subject. Not a dwelling within sight, and the farm labourer, and curious traveller, are the only persons that ever visit the scene where once so many thousands were congregated." T.Lewin 1867 
08-30-2019, 08:30 AM
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Patrick it is in Miks page 772 - A665-2 page Tafel 270. It is in the Silistra Museum Bulgaria
https://bulgariatravel.org/en/object/142...750/25.380 Lauriacum - Hromowka type. Photo from museum Regards Brennivs 
Woe Ye The Vanquished
Brennvs 390 BC When you have all this why do you envy our mud huts Caratacvs Centvrio Princeps Brennivs COH I Dacorivm (Roma Antiqvia)
08-30-2019, 12:26 PM
(08-30-2019, 08:30 AM)brennivs - tony drake Wrote: Patrick it is in Miks page 772 - A665-2 page Tafel 270. It is in the Silistra Museum Bulgaria Good one!
Ivor
"And the four bare walls stand on the seashore. a wreck a skeleton a monument of that instability and vicissitude to which all things human are subject. Not a dwelling within sight, and the farm labourer, and curious traveller, are the only persons that ever visit the scene where once so many thousands were congregated." T.Lewin 1867
08-31-2019, 08:01 AM
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Thank you Ivor
 I have a good pic in a book but which one   but I ❤ Miks great starting point, should have a little black book with page references to finds ect to make finding easy BTW nice belt also in picture  Regards Brennivs
Woe Ye The Vanquished
Brennvs 390 BC When you have all this why do you envy our mud huts Caratacvs Centvrio Princeps Brennivs COH I Dacorivm (Roma Antiqvia)
08-31-2019, 09:59 AM
(08-31-2019, 08:01 AM)brennivs - tony drake Wrote: Thank you Ivor Curious I just opened the page in Illerup "Die Schwerter" (Vol 11) to exactly the "Lauriacum - Hromowka" type (pg 200+), seems there are two swords of this type from Illerup, dating for all the swords listed appears to be for the second half 3rd century AD, not a terribly common type, 2 subtypes with 11 in total 4/7. I know what you mean about the references its like negotiating a labyrinth! I'm not convinced though that what were looking at in the images is the same sword? though its pretty clear the scabbard is the same one in both, does it say where it was found in Miks?
Ivor
"And the four bare walls stand on the seashore. a wreck a skeleton a monument of that instability and vicissitude to which all things human are subject. Not a dwelling within sight, and the farm labourer, and curious traveller, are the only persons that ever visit the scene where once so many thousands were congregated." T.Lewin 1867
08-31-2019, 10:21 AM
Ha ha well spotted, I was sure one photo I had showed it with bog finds but Looking at Miks I think there is two of them, First as above A655-2 but also A655-1 Straubing - Nydam but reference to both are Siistra ? So confused
 Posted info from book Regards Brennivs
Woe Ye The Vanquished
Brennvs 390 BC When you have all this why do you envy our mud huts Caratacvs Centvrio Princeps Brennivs COH I Dacorivm (Roma Antiqvia)
08-31-2019, 12:48 PM
(This post was last modified: 08-31-2019, 07:20 PM by Crispianus.
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(08-31-2019, 10:21 AM)brennivs - tony drake Wrote: Ha ha well spotted, I was sure one photo I had showed it with bog finds but Looking at Miks I think there is two of them, First as above A655-2 but also A655-1 Straubing - Nydam but reference to both are Siistra ? So confused I think the first picture request is the A655-1 Straubing - Nydam, or just a really poor pic!. The museum exhibit pic may be A655-2 Lauriacum - Hromowka, not certain about the scabbard but seems like it may be from the same sword, looks like a reconstruction of the listed components? From a Mound/Wagon (four Horses, 2 swords) grave not earlier then 276 AD. Not certain to be sure, but seems likely.
Ivor
"And the four bare walls stand on the seashore. a wreck a skeleton a monument of that instability and vicissitude to which all things human are subject. Not a dwelling within sight, and the farm labourer, and curious traveller, are the only persons that ever visit the scene where once so many thousands were congregated." T.Lewin 1867
08-31-2019, 04:38 PM
Ha found it
eprints.nbu.bg/140/1/the_spatha_[b]from_Durostorum[/b].pdf Knew it was in a book, there are plenty drawings using it but no reference Osprey Roman Legionary 284-337 AD Hope this helps you Patrick Regards Brennivs
Woe Ye The Vanquished
Brennvs 390 BC When you have all this why do you envy our mud huts Caratacvs Centvrio Princeps Brennivs COH I Dacorivm (Roma Antiqvia)
09-01-2019, 09:42 AM
(This post was last modified: 09-01-2019, 01:00 PM by Crispianus.
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(08-31-2019, 04:38 PM)brennivs - tony drake Wrote: Ha found it Good find! gives a lot of details of A655-2 with measurements given for the components for the sword and scabbard in note 2 from that article. Any how judging by whats included of the find in Miks, the Silista Museum Pic would appear to be many of the main objects mentioned, though sword A655-1 is missing as well as the shield boss, spearheads etc. As previously mentioned the date would not be earlier then 276 AD based on the Coin of Probus found in the grave, which looks like that of a high status individual with many richly decorated items. I still think the sword in Pointers pic is A655-1 from Miks, the desciption suggests a badly damaged blade with an "Angelnietkopf" which I take to mean a bar in this case, through which the tang is rivetted. Is there a drawing in Miks of A655-1 as from the description I think that is the one.
Ivor
"And the four bare walls stand on the seashore. a wreck a skeleton a monument of that instability and vicissitude to which all things human are subject. Not a dwelling within sight, and the farm labourer, and curious traveller, are the only persons that ever visit the scene where once so many thousands were congregated." T.Lewin 1867
09-01-2019, 02:26 PM
Unfortunately Ivor Miks only picture off A655-1 is just the wheel chape off the sword. Which is a very nice one
This should be enough info to go with for now. The scabbard itself is very nice and if I was not so busy, would make myself as a project Regards Brennivs
Woe Ye The Vanquished
Brennvs 390 BC When you have all this why do you envy our mud huts Caratacvs Centvrio Princeps Brennivs COH I Dacorivm (Roma Antiqvia)
09-01-2019, 08:05 PM
(09-01-2019, 02:26 PM)brennivs - tony drake Wrote: Unfortunately Ivor Miks only picture off A655-1 is just the wheel chape off the sword. Which is a very nice one Thats a shame but thanks for posting the pics
Ivor
"And the four bare walls stand on the seashore. a wreck a skeleton a monument of that instability and vicissitude to which all things human are subject. Not a dwelling within sight, and the farm labourer, and curious traveller, are the only persons that ever visit the scene where once so many thousands were congregated." T.Lewin 1867 |
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