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**richsc** · 04-27-2003, 11:29 AM

I've just finished a pair of sandals similar to those from paintings at Pompeii, and have been looking for patterns for shoes such as actually found at Vindolanda. The Vindolanda folks could not point me to any publications, and many searches on Amazon and other sites have not turned up any books. Any suggestions on where to find such publications would be welcome!

**Robert Vermaat** · 04-28-2003, 02:49 AM

I second that, for Late Roman shoe patterns! 
 
Cheers, 
Robert 
 
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**richsc** · 04-28-2003, 05:17 AM

I have seen recreations of shoes found, I think, along the Limes or in Switzerland, so there must be at least some museums with examples on display.

Gashford · 04-28-2003, 07:34 AM

Hi Rich 
 
Most of the European museums carry what we (in our group) call carpetinas. I will take a picture of them later and post them here for you to see. The work well as a standard shoe to wear and (unless you want to be 100% authentic and hobble) can varry insoles without then being seen, great for people like me that have problems with our arches!! 
 
Here is a sandal that I found on www.vroma.org which my wife has made several simpler versions of, again I will get an image later when she can tell me where she has hidden them. 
 
<img src="http://www.vroma.org/images/mcmanus_images/sandal2.jpg" style="border:0;"/> 
 
and another from Edinburgh 
 
<img src="http://www.vroma.org/images/bonvallet_images/bonvallet1-7.jpg" style="border:0;"/> 
 
All the best 
 
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**richsc** · 04-28-2003, 06:26 PM

Thanks Graham! I would love to see the patterns for those, and especially the intricate leather work, though that is quite a bit out of my league. But without patterns, details of the stitching, nails, and other bits are most illustrative.

venicone · 05-15-2003, 02:04 AM

hi 
 
Ive had these made for me based on one found at Vindolanda 
 
 
<img src="http://www.ttforumfriends.com/images/roman/vindolandashoe.jpg" style="border:0;"/> <img src="http://www.ttforumfriends.com/images/forum/co.gif"/> 
 
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**richsc** · 05-15-2003, 03:13 AM

Thanks Venicone! that is an interesting way of holding the sandal together, with a leather thong instead of, say, linen tread. The pattern of the sole that follows the shape of the toes is very common. I like the arch strap better than the one I saw at Birka Traders, and it looks very modern.

venicone · 05-15-2003, 03:49 AM

thanks Rich 
 
You can see the original it is based on , on the Vindolanda Tablets website at [url=http://vindolanda.csad.ox.ac.uk:8080/exhibition/army-7.shtml" target="top]womans sandal[/url] by scrolling down the page. 
 
The stitching holes seem rather large for linen thread? <img src="http://www.ttforumfriends.com/images/forum/co.gif"/> 
 
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**richsc** · 05-15-2003, 04:29 AM

Great site: I see the women reenactors are barefoot! 
Yes, the holes seem large on the original photo, so I guess the thinking was they were leather rather than thread.

**richsc** · 05-18-2003, 11:34 AM

I was discussing making a pair like that at fabrica; the leather stitching makes putting it together a bit easier, but I still like linen thread. Can you tell if the toe piece is one piece of leather passed under the sole and through the cross piece, then knotted at both ends?

05-18-2003, 12:09 PM

the 'flip-flops' are made in 4 pieces. 
insole and sole 
upper band and strap between the upper band and insole. 
 
the strap basically an elongated T-shape. 
the long piece passes through in the insole [the cross of the T holding the strap in place]. 
the long piece also passes through a hole on the upper band and is then knotted, 
 
the two ends of the upper band are sandwiched between the insole and sole. 
 
I based them on the pair from vindolanda - see gashfords post above, and the method of joining the soles on a reference to slightly later styles of Roman shoes- 
 
I made several comprimises- 
1] time 
2] never made then before 
3] material available 
4] my lack of skill 
 
 
but I would say they make a change from the usual carbatinae 
 
I could probably do a bit better next time.......but currently trying my hand a 'fell boots' 
 
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Gashford · 05-19-2003, 02:31 AM

Rich 
 
If you know anyone going to Xanten this year they have a whole cupboard filled with carpetinas that seemed quite affordable, I have worn mine now for three years and have ad no problems. Also suffering with some feet problems I can wear the insoles that I need to wear inside them without them being in the slightest visible. 
 
Hope this helps. 
 
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**richsc** · 05-19-2003, 04:54 AM

I'll have to post photos of my initial efforts at sandals. I have made two pair for the women in our group though they haven't used them yet. They all complain about standing for hours at a time, so I added those small cushioning foam shoe pieces inbetween the sole and insole, and sewed them tight so they could not be seen.

venicone · 05-19-2003, 05:42 AM

both sets of sandals vardulli has made for me are very comfortable - they dont hurt at all 
 
mind you my feet get very cold <img src="http://www.ttforumfriends.com/images/forum/co.gif"/> 
 
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**richsc** · 05-19-2003, 07:13 PM

I"m new to this; here's my 2nd pair, modeled after those I saw at Birkatraders and in murals at Pompeii 
 
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