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Balteus Apron help, please
#1
I am about to put together my first balteus.  I have the attached fittings.  Pugio hangers and apron studs to be coming from Clang Armory.

My question is the apron.  Should it be draped over the top of the belt, sewn behind the belt, constructed in some other way?


My impression is LEGIO XIIII Gemina Martia Victrix, early to mid first century.

[Image: 45633254401_f2b837fac5_h.jpg]Roman Belt Parts by sulla_ab, on Flickr
[Image: 31761019178_93106dbbea_b.jpg]Clang Pugio frogs hander by sulla_ab, on Flickr
-Andy
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#2
Best views are from tombstones which for the period show the apron hanging from behind the belt, this is what I did for mine to show all the belt plates off.
https://www.romanarmytalk.com/rat/thread-27072.html
This is my thread on the belt I did which may help. Good luck with yours and keep us posted.
Regards Brennivs  Big Grin
Woe Ye The Vanquished
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When you have all this why do you envy our mud huts
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#3
Thank you sir. That is some fine work, and your belt thread was most illuminating. Having never done it before and seeing a plethora of confusing videos on the subject, I was wondering if you might point me in the direction of some good how-to info on tinning brass plates?
-Andy
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#4
https://www.romanarmytalk.com/rat/thread...elt+plates

Here you go  Wink  I have a lot of how toos just look up mp threads.
Regards Brennivs Big Grin
Woe Ye The Vanquished
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When you have all this why do you envy our mud huts
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#5
Thank you very much again! That was very helpful!
-Andy
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#6
Tagging onto this thread so apologies for that. I'm in the market for a Mid 1st C AD Balteus without breaking the bank completely and came across this.

https://www.gdfb.co.uk/balteus-roman-leg...1851-p.asp

Is is just me or are the plates on the apron actually meant to go on the Balteus and should be replaced by studs?
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#7
Square studs have been found at Rheingonheim, but this belt is to be avoided.
Regards Brennivs  Big Grin
Woe Ye The Vanquished
                     Brennvs 390 BC
When you have all this why do you envy our mud huts
                     Caratacvs
Centvrio Brennivs COH I Dacorivm (Roma Antiqvia)
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#8
Try this for info.....http://www.academia.edu/1022969/The_early_imperial_apron
It may help....
Kevin
Kevin
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#9
Thanks Kevin for that  Smile
Regards Brennivs  Big Grin
Woe Ye The Vanquished
                     Brennvs 390 BC
When you have all this why do you envy our mud huts
                     Caratacvs
Centvrio Brennivs COH I Dacorivm (Roma Antiqvia)
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#10
Andy,

When you assemble your belt, make sure you place the pugio frogs correctly. They should be positioned so that if the pugio sheath is laid between them when laid out on the ground the upper suspension rings touch or almost touch the frog buttons. Make sure you fix them in this position and ignore any advice anyone gives you to put them further apart. Do NOT use straps to connect the frog buttons to the suspension rings as you will see many re-enactors doing, no matter hat anyone else tells you. There is no evidence for this practice and all the representational evidence shows the upper suspension rings on the line of the belt itself and touching the frog buttons, suggesting they were tightly tied to them with thonging. Both the representational evidence and examination of surviving pieces shows that the lower suspension rings were not used at all, being retained mainly for tradition's sake.

Another small point, if you are depicting a soldier of Leg XIIII Gemina. The other titles were earned thanks to it being the main unit involved in Boudicca's defeat. Thus from AD61 onwards it was Legio XIIII Gemina Martia Victrix (the twin, warlike and victorious).

Crispvs
Who is called \'\'Paul\'\' by no-one other than his wife, parents and brothers. :!: <img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_exclaim.gif" alt=":!:" title="Exclamation" />:!:

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.romanarmy.net">www.romanarmy.net
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#11
(11-06-2018, 05:25 PM)Crispvs Wrote: Andy,

When you assemble your belt, make sure you place the pugio frogs correctly...

...Another small point, if you are depicting a soldier of Leg XIIII Gemina. The other titles were earned thanks to it being the main unit involved in Boudicca's defeat. Thus from AD61 onwards it was Legio XIIII Gemina Martia Victrix (the twin, warlike and victorious).

Crispvs

Thank you very much for all the information.  I purchased a Pugio last night.  I still have to tin my belt plates.  I got frogs and apron studs from CLANG on the way as well.  I will take your advice when laying out my spacing and wearing tthe Pugio.

As for the the Legio XIIII, It is the name the Roman reenactors local to me have adopted.  I have just begun researching this Legion myself.  This information has also been helpful to correct my time frame, thank you.
-Andy
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#12
Believe it or not, my group also depicts Legio XIIII GMV.
http://romanarmy.net/about.shtml

Crispvs
Who is called \'\'Paul\'\' by no-one other than his wife, parents and brothers. :!: <img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_exclaim.gif" alt=":!:" title="Exclamation" />:!:

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.romanarmy.net">www.romanarmy.net
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#13
(11-06-2018, 06:25 PM)Crispvs Wrote: Believe it or not, my group also depicts Legio XIIII GMV.
http://romanarmy.net/about.shtml

Crispvs

Great!  I will explore your web site.  Thank you for being so helpful, I sincerely appreciate it.
-Andy
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