06-28-2019, 06:59 PM
Jerome’s work against Jovinian seems to contain 2 references to the organization of the Roman Army including maniples. There is now a growing group of evidence for the existence of maniples in the later Roman Army and therefore the old theories must be disbanded. This includes the theory of the so called Greco-nization of the army. The Roman army is build on roman principle, from beginning to the end. Included are also a couple additional references. The first one is some sort of military phrase, which I find difficult to comprehend. Perhaps an allusion to the right and left flank of the army? (A recent thread on RAT about this subject seems to have disappeared.)
Saint Jerome Against Jovinianus circa 393 AD
(https://www.fourthcentury.com/jerome-against-jovinian/)
Book 1, chapter 35
Just as in the legions of the army there are generals, tribunes, centurions, javelin-men, and light-armed troops, common soldiers, and companies, but once the battle begins, all distinctions of rank are dropped, and the one thing looked for is valour: so too in this camp and in this battle, in which we contend against devils, not names but deeds are needed: and under the true commander, Christ, not the man who has the highest title has the greatest fame, but he who is the bravest warrior.
(http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/30091.htm)
Quomodo in legionibus et exercitu sunt duces, sunt tribuni, sunt centuriones, sunt ferentarii, ac levis armaturœ, et miles gregarius, et manipuli ; commissaque pngna, vacant nomma dignitatum,
et sola fortitndo quœritur; ila, in hoc campo et prælio, quo contra dæmones dimicamus, non quœruntur nomina, sed opéra; et gloriosiorille, sub vero imperatore Christo, non qui nobilior, sed qui fortior est.
(https://archive.org/details/JeromeTradBa.../page/n549)
*
Book 2, Chapter 28
This is what we find in heaven and in the administration of God. You must not therefore smile and sneer at us, as is your wont, for making a graduated series of emperors, præfects and counts, tribunes and centurions, companies, and all the other steps in the service.
(http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/30092.htm)
Hoc in ecelis est, hoc in ministorio (Al. mysterio) Dei, ne nossolito more irrideas, atque subsannes, si imperatores (Al. imperatorem) posuerimus, præfectos et comités, et tribunos, et centuriones, et manipulos, et reliquum militiæ ordinem.
(https://archive.org/details/JeromeTradBa.../page/n619)
*
Book 2, Chapter 34
If you do away with the gradations of the tabernacle, the temple, the Church, if, to use a common military phrase, all upon the right hand are to be "up to the same standard," bishops are to no purpose, priests in vain, deacons useless.
(http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/30092.htm)
Si tollis ordinem Tabernaculi, Templi, Ecclesiæ, si omnes qui a dextris sunt, unum, ut vulgo dicitur, encorna ad militiam probat, nequidquam episcopi, frustra presbyteri, sine causa diaconi sunt.
(https://archive.org/details/JeromeTradBa.../page/n627)
*
Book 1, Chapter 34
Does it follow that because all the strongest men are chosen for the army, weaker men should not be taken as well? All cannot be strong. If an army were constituted of strength only, and numbers went for nothing, the feebler men might be rejected. As it is, men of second or third-rate strength are chosen, that the army may have its full numerical complement.
(http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/30091.htm)
Numquid quia in exercitu fortissimus quisque eligendus est, idcirco non assumentur et infirmiores, cum omnes fortes esse non possint? Si exercitus viribns tantum constaret, et non etiam numéro militum, abjicerentur imbecilliores. Nunc et secundarum et tertiarum virium gradus assumitur, ut turbaet numéro exercitus compleatur.
(https://archive.org/details/JeromeTradBa.../page/n547)
*
Saint Jerome Against Jovinianus circa 393 AD
(https://www.fourthcentury.com/jerome-against-jovinian/)
Book 1, chapter 35
Just as in the legions of the army there are generals, tribunes, centurions, javelin-men, and light-armed troops, common soldiers, and companies, but once the battle begins, all distinctions of rank are dropped, and the one thing looked for is valour: so too in this camp and in this battle, in which we contend against devils, not names but deeds are needed: and under the true commander, Christ, not the man who has the highest title has the greatest fame, but he who is the bravest warrior.
(http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/30091.htm)
Quomodo in legionibus et exercitu sunt duces, sunt tribuni, sunt centuriones, sunt ferentarii, ac levis armaturœ, et miles gregarius, et manipuli ; commissaque pngna, vacant nomma dignitatum,
et sola fortitndo quœritur; ila, in hoc campo et prælio, quo contra dæmones dimicamus, non quœruntur nomina, sed opéra; et gloriosiorille, sub vero imperatore Christo, non qui nobilior, sed qui fortior est.
(https://archive.org/details/JeromeTradBa.../page/n549)
*
Book 2, Chapter 28
This is what we find in heaven and in the administration of God. You must not therefore smile and sneer at us, as is your wont, for making a graduated series of emperors, præfects and counts, tribunes and centurions, companies, and all the other steps in the service.
(http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/30092.htm)
Hoc in ecelis est, hoc in ministorio (Al. mysterio) Dei, ne nossolito more irrideas, atque subsannes, si imperatores (Al. imperatorem) posuerimus, præfectos et comités, et tribunos, et centuriones, et manipulos, et reliquum militiæ ordinem.
(https://archive.org/details/JeromeTradBa.../page/n619)
*
Book 2, Chapter 34
If you do away with the gradations of the tabernacle, the temple, the Church, if, to use a common military phrase, all upon the right hand are to be "up to the same standard," bishops are to no purpose, priests in vain, deacons useless.
(http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/30092.htm)
Si tollis ordinem Tabernaculi, Templi, Ecclesiæ, si omnes qui a dextris sunt, unum, ut vulgo dicitur, encorna ad militiam probat, nequidquam episcopi, frustra presbyteri, sine causa diaconi sunt.
(https://archive.org/details/JeromeTradBa.../page/n627)
*
Book 1, Chapter 34
Does it follow that because all the strongest men are chosen for the army, weaker men should not be taken as well? All cannot be strong. If an army were constituted of strength only, and numbers went for nothing, the feebler men might be rejected. As it is, men of second or third-rate strength are chosen, that the army may have its full numerical complement.
(http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/30091.htm)
Numquid quia in exercitu fortissimus quisque eligendus est, idcirco non assumentur et infirmiores, cum omnes fortes esse non possint? Si exercitus viribns tantum constaret, et non etiam numéro militum, abjicerentur imbecilliores. Nunc et secundarum et tertiarum virium gradus assumitur, ut turbaet numéro exercitus compleatur.
(https://archive.org/details/JeromeTradBa.../page/n547)
*
