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Show here your Roman soldier impression
Nicus Maximus,

I agree with Jurjen - very nice so far! There is just one improvement I would suggest. The pugio should be higher, so that the upper suspension rings are in line with the belt. This is how they are consistently shown in Roman depictions. Also, the upper suspension rings should be tightly attached directly to the frog buttons with thonging rather than with straps. Although commonly used by re-enactors, these straps are nowhere to be seen in the contemporary evidence and are therefore simply a 're-enactorism'.

Agrimensor,

Some nice new bits and pieces I see. Just a couple of things though (sorry to have swapped my own eyes for those of the imperial eagle):
Firstly, if you shorten your baldric so that you sword pommel ends up near your armpit you will find that you no longer need to pass your belt over your baldric. In much searching through contemporary depictions I have never seen an example in sculpture where a belt passes over a baldric and in fact there are two images I am aware of (one from Mainz and oe from Adamklissi) of soldiers wearing sword baldrics but not waist belts. It would seem that the Romans did not see any need to secure their baldrics with belts. Since I started doing the same five years ago I have not found any need to either.
Secondly, trousers?? Why not instead do what we know the Romans habitually did and wear two or more tunics, thus giving plenty of insulation to the vital organs? Again, I have tried this out myself on a number of occasions in all weathers and have found that with two tunics, a cloak, socks and lower leg coverings, all of which we have ample evidence for the Romans using, you can stay sufficiently warm throughout a day or weekend (and, from my own experience of weeks at a time spent above the snowline in New Zealand, probably much longer) and retain higher energy levels than those not similarly insulated against the cold. Trousers can quickly be found to be unnecessary.

To our modern mindset, as we have all grown up wearing trousers, they are an obvious solution to cold. The same mindset might not have been present in the mind of the Roman citizen, even if he had grown up on the frontier and was used to seeing Germans in trousers, if he already had sufficiently good solutions to the problem of staying warm which still allowed him to maintain a cultural difference from the non-citizens around him. Citizenship was something both to be aspired to and to be proclaimed. Refraining from the use of something unnecessary to him but more essential to the Germans (who might be expected to do some things differently) might underline that.

'Common sense' arguments in favour of trousers tend to fall flat, as 'common sense' in always culturally based and so what seems common sense to people of one culture might seem the opposite to people of another culture. We are not like the Romans, and equally, they were not like us.

Lecture over. Now putting my own rather more blurry eyes back in place.

Crispvs
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Re: Show here your roman soldier impression - by Anonymous - 05-12-2004, 03:57 PM
Happy to Oblige! - by Mithras - 05-12-2004, 08:57 PM
Re: Happy to Oblige! - by Anonymous - 05-12-2004, 10:42 PM
Re: Happy to Oblige! - by Jasper Oorthuys - 05-13-2004, 12:07 PM
Re: Happy to Oblige! - by Jasper Oorthuys - 05-13-2004, 01:39 PM
Re: Happy to Oblige! - by aitor iriarte - 05-14-2004, 05:03 AM
Re: Show here your roman soldier impression - by Anonymous - 05-14-2004, 11:35 AM
Re: Show here your roman soldier impression - by Anonymous - 05-15-2004, 08:18 PM
Re: Show here your roman soldier impression - by Anonymous - 05-17-2004, 07:31 AM
Re: Show here your roman soldier impression - by Anonymous - 06-03-2004, 08:37 PM
Re: Show here your roman soldier impression - by Anonymous - 06-03-2004, 11:26 PM
Re: Show here your roman soldier impression - by Anonymous - 06-03-2004, 11:41 PM
impression - by Anonymous - 06-04-2004, 02:13 PM
Re: impression - by TITVS SABATINVS AQVILIVS - 06-04-2004, 02:29 PM
images - by Anonymous - 06-05-2004, 12:48 AM
A pic of me... - by TIBISIVS - 06-06-2004, 03:42 PM
Re: A pic of me... - by aitor iriarte - 06-07-2004, 05:47 AM
Re: Show here your roman soldier impression - by Anonymous - 06-07-2004, 04:01 PM
Re: Show here your roman soldier impression - by Anonymous - 06-08-2004, 08:05 AM
Samnite - by Anonymous - 06-15-2004, 09:03 PM
Re: Samnite - by Dan Diffendale - 06-15-2004, 11:14 PM
Samnites - by Anonymous - 06-16-2004, 01:42 AM
Re: Samnite - by Robert Vermaat - 06-16-2004, 06:06 AM
Samnite - by Anonymous - 06-16-2004, 03:15 PM
Re: Samnite - by Dan Diffendale - 06-16-2004, 03:41 PM
Samnite - by Ivlivs·Aemilivs·Celer - 06-17-2004, 01:28 AM
Re: Samnite - by Dan Diffendale - 06-17-2004, 04:45 AM
Re: Roman aquilifer impression - by Anonymous - 07-03-2004, 10:33 AM
my pic - by FAVENTIANVS - 07-04-2004, 05:54 PM
Re: my pic - by Robert Vermaat - 07-06-2004, 04:53 AM
Re: my pic - by Anonymous - 07-06-2004, 11:59 AM
impression - by Anonymous - 07-08-2004, 08:08 PM
Re: impression - by FAVENTIANVS - 07-09-2004, 01:48 PM
Re: impression - by Anonymous - 07-11-2004, 06:34 AM
Re: impression - by Anonymous - 07-11-2004, 02:57 PM
Re: impression - by aitor iriarte - 07-12-2004, 04:47 AM
Lucius\' pics - by aitor iriarte - 07-15-2004, 09:13 AM
Re: Lucius\' pics - by LUCIUS ALFENUS AVITIANUS - 07-15-2004, 09:21 AM
Re: Lucius\' pics - by aitor iriarte - 07-15-2004, 09:34 AM
Re: Show here your roman soldier impression - by Anonymous - 09-02-2004, 09:25 AM
Re: Show here your roman soldier impression - by Anonymous - 09-03-2004, 11:56 AM
Re: Show here your roman soldier impression - by Anonymous - 09-27-2004, 11:45 AM
New look - by FAVENTIANVS - 09-27-2004, 04:53 PM
Re: New look - by Robert Vermaat - 09-27-2004, 09:57 PM
Re: New look - by FAVENTIANVS - 09-28-2004, 10:16 AM
Re: New look - by Robert Vermaat - 09-28-2004, 02:25 PM
Re: New look - by FAVENTIANVS - 09-28-2004, 05:48 PM
Re: New look - by Lucius Aurelius Metellus - 09-28-2004, 10:27 PM
Re: New look - by Iulia Cassia Vegetia - 09-29-2004, 12:48 PM
Re: New look - by FAVENTIANVS - 09-30-2004, 09:35 PM
Re: New look - by Anonymous - 10-02-2004, 02:09 PM
Re: New look - by Lucius Aurelius Metellus - 10-03-2004, 05:31 PM
Re: New look - by Anonymous - 10-03-2004, 07:08 PM
Re: New look - by Anonymous - 10-09-2004, 01:14 AM
Re: New look - by Anonymous - 10-09-2004, 09:30 PM
1ST c IMPRESSION - by John M McDermott - 10-11-2004, 01:18 PM
go both ways - by Anonymous - 10-14-2004, 07:48 PM
me me me - by Anonymous - 10-16-2004, 02:31 PM
graham - by Anonymous - 10-16-2004, 02:33 PM
Re: graham - by Anonymous - 10-17-2004, 10:56 PM
Re: Late Roman - by Theodosius the Great - 01-27-2005, 08:13 PM
Re: Late Roman - by Jasper Oorthuys - 01-28-2005, 08:36 AM
Re: Late Roman - by Robert Vermaat - 01-28-2005, 10:22 AM
Other pics - by Theodosius the Great - 01-28-2005, 03:42 PM
Re: My pics - by Tarbicus - 01-28-2005, 04:17 PM
Re: My pics - by Caius Fabius - 01-28-2005, 11:46 PM
Re: My pics - by Jasper Oorthuys - 01-30-2005, 08:05 PM
Re: Show here your roman soldier impression - by Anonymous - 02-07-2005, 08:05 AM
Late Roman - by Theodosius the Great - 02-08-2005, 12:40 AM
Re: Late Roman - by Lucius Aurelius Metellus - 02-08-2005, 01:30 AM
Re: Show here your roman soldier impression - by Anonymous - 03-01-2005, 08:09 PM
Mithras and Co - by Anonymous - 03-05-2005, 12:00 PM
NEW IMAGE - by FAVENTIANVS - 03-08-2005, 10:55 PM
NEW IMAGE - by Theodosius the Great - 03-09-2005, 12:03 AM
Re: NEW IMAGE - by aitor iriarte - 03-09-2005, 06:58 AM
Re: NEW IMAGE - by Robert Vermaat - 03-10-2005, 11:15 AM
Re: NEW IMAGE - by FAVENTIANVS - 03-10-2005, 04:17 PM
Re: Mithras and Co - by Mithras - 03-16-2005, 01:06 PM
Re: Mithras and Co - by Anonymous - 03-16-2005, 01:57 PM
Re: Mithras and Co - by Mithras - 03-16-2005, 04:02 PM
New Pic of me with new Camera - by Anonymous - 03-26-2005, 04:01 PM
Re: New Pics w/ Improvements - by Robert Vermaat - 04-02-2005, 02:49 PM
Basis for the sagum - by FAVENTIANVS - 04-09-2005, 03:10 PM
It was this or golf - by Tarbicus - 04-25-2005, 07:51 AM
Augustean Legionary - by maritimus - 05-04-2005, 03:22 PM
Miles LEG I GER - by TIBISIVS - 05-04-2005, 09:33 PM
Focale - by Sandra/Viventia - 05-05-2005, 10:42 AM
republican - by LUCIUS ALFENUS AVITIANUS - 05-06-2005, 08:42 AM
Neuraleanus blowing his own horn - by Neuraleanus - 05-17-2005, 12:31 AM
The cornu gives a nice deep tone - by Neuraleanus - 05-18-2005, 03:24 PM
Aquilifer - by LUCIUS ALFENUS AVITIANUS - 06-02-2005, 05:46 AM
Parade Face Mask Helmet - by Sassanid - 06-03-2005, 10:20 PM
Three [roman] amigos - by Neuraleanus - 06-03-2005, 11:41 PM
Yes, late 1st century - by Neuraleanus - 06-04-2005, 01:17 PM
Danvm Shield use - by Peroni - 07-08-2005, 12:27 PM
Danum shield - by Antonius Lucretius - 07-08-2005, 12:31 PM
Doncaster shield - by Peroni - 07-11-2005, 02:52 PM
French site. - by Peroni - 07-12-2005, 09:47 AM
Vertical Grip - by Peroni - 07-13-2005, 12:20 PM
Italian Linen - by Iulia Cassia Vegetia - 12-23-2005, 05:02 AM
Re: Italian Linen - by tlclark - 12-27-2005, 03:55 PM
re - by Johnny Shumate - 02-01-2006, 03:09 AM
Subarmalis - by Peroni - 02-03-2006, 10:17 AM
Optio and Centurion - by Quintus Julius Furius - 04-14-2006, 09:42 AM
Sagittarius and velite - by Quintus Julius Furius - 04-14-2006, 09:50 AM
Numidian... - by Quintus Julius Furius - 04-14-2006, 09:51 AM
Impression Pic - by Gallus Marinus Micarius - 05-03-2006, 10:34 AM
Bellator Sempronious - by Bellator Sempronious - 07-09-2006, 03:01 AM
Gaius Messius - by Finlandese - 07-27-2006, 07:39 AM
Not a roman - by Folkert van Wijk - 08-25-2006, 09:57 AM
Roman Outfit - by RUBICON - 01-30-2007, 10:32 AM
Re: Roman Outfit - by Jvrjenivs - 01-30-2007, 01:44 PM
legio X officers - by John M McDermott - 03-01-2007, 12:24 AM
Legio X troops - by John M McDermott - 03-03-2007, 06:25 PM
Legio XF action photo - by John M McDermott - 03-05-2007, 04:13 PM
Took me long enough - by lvcivs - 03-08-2007, 10:21 PM
Re: legio X officers - by Theodosius the Great - 03-12-2007, 06:48 AM
impressions - by Mac - 04-10-2007, 09:20 PM
Re: impressions - by Marcus Mummius - 04-10-2007, 10:50 PM
picture - by Mac - 04-12-2007, 12:32 AM
Posting Pics - by Doc - 04-23-2007, 05:02 PM
Re: show us your roman impression - by Mithras - 06-04-2007, 10:20 PM
bow - by Graham Sumner - 06-08-2007, 09:55 PM
post subjet - by Gaius Longius - 06-13-2007, 06:25 PM
CHESTER - by Graham Sumner - 06-14-2007, 09:28 PM
Re: CHESTER - by Et tu brute - 06-15-2007, 08:38 AM
My Legionary Impression - by Gaius_Calvus - 07-16-2007, 01:48 PM
Auxiliary Impression - by Gaius_Calvus - 07-16-2007, 01:53 PM
WEDDING - by Graham Sumner - 09-10-2007, 03:54 PM
musculata response - by Tribune Valerius - 10-01-2007, 08:47 AM
Legio XF Centurion - by John M McDermott - 10-15-2007, 04:41 PM
Republican impression - by John M McDermott - 04-05-2008, 07:02 PM
Marcus and I - by Neuraleanus - 05-03-2008, 07:05 PM
Roman event - by Paullus Scipio - 06-30-2008, 07:22 PM
Impression - by Tiberius - 07-17-2008, 06:52 PM
TUNICS - by Graham Sumner - 07-31-2008, 07:26 PM
Shield work - by Aemilianus - 08-05-2008, 09:49 PM
about different equipment - by Aemilianus - 08-05-2008, 10:10 PM
Shoes - by Aemilianus - 08-06-2008, 05:38 AM
Early Batavian Impression - by Gaius_Calvus - 10-14-2008, 07:32 PM
Re: Show here your roman soldier impression - by strawberry jelly - 02-15-2009, 03:59 PM
Re: Show here your roman soldier impression - by nagmar - 03-03-2010, 02:32 AM
Re: Show here your roman soldier impression - by Volusius Vetonianus - 07-11-2010, 10:13 PM
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Re: Show here your Roman soldier impression - by Crispvs - 03-15-2012, 09:09 PM
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