Roman-Lucanian Sausages

[Anonymous]

AVETE ROMANI<br>
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I intend to make about 10 pounds of this sausage. Has anyone tried this recipe. Any pointers? Should I leave out the fish sauce etc...? See link below.<br>
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My apologies if there is already a discussion about this somewhere. I remember talking about food a couple years back in this forum but couldn't find the thread. Moderator, feel free to move to proper area. Just let me know where so I can find it.<br>
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SALVETE ET GRATIAS<br>
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PAVLVS FLAMINIVS<br>
LEGIO XI CLAVDIA PIA FIDELIS<br>
Georgia, USA<br>
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[Carlton Bach]

You can leave out the liquamen, but I wouldn't. Really you shouldn't use very much of it to start with, so it doesn't make too much of a difference if you use salt instead - that's the main point anyway, and I didn't like them too salty.<br>
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If you can get them, using laurel berries rather than bay leaves is nice. And freesh herbs do make a difference (if you use dried it is a good idea to add a little liquid to the mix)<br>
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And I don't need to tell you stuffing sausages is lots of work, do I?<br>
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[richsc]

You'll never find garum, but Vietmanese fish sauce is pretty close. The berries can be problematic. Take a close look; I had sausage made up and the berries can be a problem<br>
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Caput dolet, pedes fetent, Iesum non amo<br>
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[Anonymous]

Hi Rich,<br>
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At one of our Roman workshop/meetings I decided to open the bottle of nucman (Vietnamese -modern garum) I had just purchased. I cracked the metal cap/seal, not even opening a quarter turn and we had to clear out the garage! Pretty powerful stuff. One of the guys said that during 'Nam they could sight artillery to hit enemy positions from many clicks away just from the smell of nucman. (I can NOT confirm the veracity of that statement).<br>
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I wonder if there is something milder that won't peel the chrome off my Dad's new sausage/meat grinder?<br>
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Also, I'm a little stumped on the berries. Not sure if they sell them in the USA? What troubles did they give you when you tried? I read they are related to laurel berries and also wax myrtle. But when I looked up wax myrtle (which grows near my office) it only mentions using the berries for making candles… nothing about food.<br>
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PAVLVS FLAMINIVS<br>
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Georgia, USA<br>
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[richsc]

I"m trying to find the mention, but rue can be harmful, not to mention hard to come by. We didn't try to put in our sausage. <p>Legio XX<br>
Caput dolet, pedes fetent, Iesum non amo<br>
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[Caius Fabius]

Pliny writes that if you use too much rue, you could cause an abortion. Some use Rue for an antidote for poison or snakebite, a cure for ear ache when put in the ear, an aid to eyesight when eaten on bread, and as a deodorant when mixed with rose oil..... <p>"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments, and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance -- that principle is contempt prior to investigation." Herbert Spencer</p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p200.ezboard.com/bromanarmytalk.showUserPublicProfile?gid=caiusfabius>Caius Fabius</A> <IMG HEIGHT=10 WIDTH=10 SRC="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ROMANISROMANORVM/files/C%20Fabius%201988b.jpg" BORDER=0> at: 2/28/05 5:52 am<br></i>

[Carlton Bach]

Rue is an abortifacient, but only in very large quantities. It is also quite bitter, so if you get near dangerous doses with a sausage you won't find anyone willing to eat them any more, anyway. Well-stocked herbalist stores should be able to sell it to you dried, at least in the UK. In Germany, it is a controlled substance for some reason and I don't know about the US. I got mine from www.baldwins.co.uk <br>
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Bay berries are rarely if at all for sale, at least where I live. Try getting branches of bay leaves from spice shops or delis in season, they often still carry berries (plus, you can strip and dry the bark for spice and use the wood for incense or smoking).<br>
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[Carlton Bach]

"I wonder if there is something milder that won't peel the chrome off my Dad's new sausage/meat grinder?"<br>
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Nuoc Mam and Nam Pla come in various degrees of revoltingness (I'm told there is a similar phenomenon with chili sauces which assures only people fromn near the border get their hands on adult chili). Try the stuff they sell to Falang, that is usually tamer. I got a bottle from an Asian deli a year ago and it has not yet killed anything or anyone. All else failing, you can always dilute it (but I'm told any surplus ought not be flushed if you value your drain seals)<br>
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[Caius Fabius]

FANTASTIC WORK!!!! Those sausages were excellent! And yes, i liked them with or without the fish sauce! Glad to meet you at the Lafe event and I hope to see you at the next one!<br>
We're starting a site at<br>
43AD at Fort Lafe<br>
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to share pictures and discuss the fighting rules <p>"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments, and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance -- that principle is contempt prior to investigation." Herbert Spencer</p><i></i>