Roman arming caps

[Gaius Longius]

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Hi Kormanus I agree with you, even today our forces in the Gulf augment their issued kit with custom gear.<br>
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Nice to see another heretic willing to stake his case after all don't many archaeologists dictate that "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence"<br>
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Keep with common sense not established rhetoric.<br>
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Gaius. <p></p><i></i>

[Anonymous]

Ave,<br>
If the hat is indeed on one piece and someone wanted to do a reconstruction, here's some pretty straight forward direction that would lend themselves well. You just make it without the "wizard" aspects, then cut it to shape as described. I think I may try it, though that won't be for awhile.<br>
www.geocities.com/sallypo...yhats.html<br>
This would also be way to make phrygian cap of some sort.<br>
Vale, Florentius <p></p><i></i>

[Mithras]

Am I dense or something? Is it just me? I made a Phrygian cap out of wool. IT looks alot like that Dura cap. I wore it under my Intercisa helm, and magically it fits wonderfully. The neck sits under the helmet neck guard, the cut outs for the ears match up with those on the helmet, and the 'point' provides that padding without layers and layers of hot wool.<br>
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Are they not one and the same? Are phrygian caps in paintings and frescoes military caps?<br>
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It all seems blindlingly obvious to me - but perhaps I'm missing something very important. <p><strong>Paul Elliott/<em>Caius Fortunatus</em></strong><br>
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3rd Century Auxiliary (<em>Cohors Quinta Gallorum</em>)<br>
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4th Century Legionnary (<em>Comitatus</em>)<br>
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www.geocities.com/zozergames/interactive.html</p><i></i>

[aitor iriarte]

Mithras,<br>
I was starting to suspect the same thing like you about all those 'Phrygian' caps depicted on late Roman mosaics and miniatures...<br>
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Aitor <p></p><i></i>

[Sassanid]

Mithras,<br>
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That would be my guess to. Not the only way a helmet could be padded out, but probably one of the more common ways. As you say the design is perfect.<br>
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Are coming out to play at Easter? Segadunum on Bank Holiday Monday.<br>
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Aitor,<br>
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Steve has just finished my helmet, a Niederbieber type. Looks incredible, the shape flows just right, and it fits like a glove. Many thanks again for the recommendation.<br>
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Andrew<br>
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[aitor iriarte]

You're welcome, Andrew!<br>
Now I'd only wish to be able to draw such attention from him for me!!<br>
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Aitor <p></p><i></i>

[Sassanid]

Yes, he is a busy chap. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p200.ezboard.com/bromanarmytalk.showUserPublicProfile?gid=sassanid@romanarmytalk>Sassanid</A> at: 3/11/05 5:48 pm<br></i>

[Mithras]

Hi Andrew,<br>
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I couldn't make it to the Quinta meeting since I was at York for the Viking festival. I haven't got any details of Quinta shows at all.<br>
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Easter might be a problem, I'm at Pompeii for one week.<br>
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Also, I'll be 'Quinta' for the Comitatus event at Arbeia, chucking javelins and stones at my fellow 4thC friends!<br>
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I'd really appreciate a quick summary of the events if you have the time. I really would like to see your kit (since you seem to have spent over a year getting it together!). <p><strong>Paul Elliott/<em>Caius Fortunatus</em></strong><br>
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3rd Century Auxiliary (<em>Cohors Quinta Gallorum</em>)<br>
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4th Century Legionnary (<em>Comitatus</em>)<br>
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www.geocities.com/zozergames/interactive.html</p><i></i>

[Theodosius the Great]

Ave, Flavius Promotus.<br>
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Your impression looks great from what I can see in your picture. Is it early third century ?<br>
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If so, I'm also currently working on that period .<br>
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-Theo <p><img src="http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/RCasti998/CHI-RO2.jpg"/></p><i></i>

[Sassanid]

Paul Elliott<br>
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I will mail you the itinerary that has been decided on so far.<br>
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Andrew<br>
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[Flavius Promotus]

Ave Theodosie, oh mighty emperor<br>
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Direct hit - first half 3rd century. What exactly made you notice this ?<br>
The tunic ? Or the belt ?<br>
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You can find more 3rd century guys under<br>
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[url=http://www.populares-vindelicenses.de" target="top]www.populares-vindelicenses.de[/url] <p></p><i></i>

[Theodosius the Great]

Hi Flavius Promotus,<br>
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Nice to know there are others doing this period .<br>
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Quote:</em></strong><hr>Direct hit - first half 3rd century. What exactly made you notice this ? <hr><br>
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Almost everyhting I could see from your photo - the spear (instead of a pilum), the tunic, the helmet, and your pugio hanging on your right side.<br>
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I have most of my gear for the period except for the baldric and Newstead segmentata - both of which I should be getting in April.<br>
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All the people on the website look just fantastic . I don't think I've seen reenactors with such eloborate shield designs.<br>
I'm envious <p><img src="http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/RCasti998/CHI-RO2.jpg"/></p><i></i>

[Flavius Promotus]

Dear Theodosius,<br>
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write to me at [email protected] and I show you how my shield looks like<br>
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there is a vendor for beautiful brooches, baldric fittings and belt terminals (including 3rd century) here at Germany (Mr. Ratsdorf). Really good quality but... not too cheap. <p></p><i></i>

[Dan Diffendale]

(from [url:3c3dfill]http://www.safani.com/objects/athena_head.html[/url])

This is the head of Athena, from South Italy, 3-2nd C. BC, apparently wearing an Italo-Corinthian helmet. Can anyone tell what that cloth-like thing between her ear and her helmet? Maybe some sort of a cap? It doesn't look like hair to me, though I could be wrong.

[derek forrest]

There was one helmet found with felt in it but we have had a problem in the Guard with liners and rust.

Some of our helmets are now quite old and the steel ones with felt liners are rusting through from the inside.

An arming helmet seems the better idea and some of us have been using a round felt hat . The difficulty is that there seem to be no authority for these. The closest is perhaps the phrygian hat.