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Belt fitting with suspension loop/
#1
Good Evening Sirs !
Can you please tell me about the date of this fitting?
I also shall be very grateful,if you point out the books dealing with this question.
The artifact was found in Western Ukraine.
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#2
I am not sure that that is a military belt fitting. If it is, it is unlike any I have ever seen otherwise. It may not even be from a belt. It is just as likely to be from an item of furniture - I can easily imagine that broken rivet having been attached to a hinge or directly to a cupboard door as either a handle or as part of a simple latch.

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#3
Thank you ,
but I have found in the Internet a screenshot of the page from the book "Roman Buckles & Military Fittings" by Andrew Appels & Stuar Laycock , in which this item is represented.
But there is nothing about the date in that page . Unfortunately, I have no opportunity to buy this book in Ukraine( I have only found Roman Military Equipment by Bishop & Coulston, Edition 2, 2006 © M.C. Bishop ).
Also I should mention that similar item is represented , as a casual find (undated), in the monograph of Ukrainian researcher Kostromichev " ,Roman Military Equipment from the Chersonesus".


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#4
A fitting of this type was found in Viminacium, Serbia and can be found in the paper by Saša T. Redžić, Roman belt sets on the territory of Serbia from the I to VI C.
The paper can be found here.
The item is cat. no. 693 (Type XXII, var. 2).
Sadly the paper is in Serbian, so I have no idea what he wrote about this type and it's dating.
Andreas Gagelmann
Berlin, Germany
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#5
The dating is on pg 411, I think :

"Period II - from the time of Hadrian until the reign of Marcus Aurelius,
perhaps we can raise the upper limit by the end of the second century."

and

" Irons variants 2 with ALKAM* Snap generally been dated to this epoch, but we should mention the late ancient copies which differ significantly from the second century and copies of which can be dated to the second half IV century." translated with google ...not the best...

*Alkama translated as wheat? in google
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#6
Why does it have to be Roman? Was this fitting signed by a Roman?
"I made this in AD 107. Yours truly, Satorinus."
I don' thin' so.
The fitting's design has doubled horse heads, just as likely to be native to where it was found.
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#7
I've just came across the doctoral thesis by Stefanie Hoss about Roman military belts.

http://www.romanarmytalk.com/18-referenc...tml#370648

The fitting in question is her type B.23.e (cat. B1522-B1529) and is dated to the late 2nd/early 3rd C. AD.
She did not mention the horse heads but they are clearly visible at B1526 and B1527.
And as some of the type have been found in Roman contexts with other belt parts they seem to be Roman at all.
Andreas Gagelmann
Berlin, Germany
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