Total War: Attila

[Robert Vermaat]

Robert. I do agree with you about using outside sources as the Romans source of men to pull from if needed for the legions. You said specifically that Rome intergrated them and made them citizens. Alaric and the Goth tried becoming citizens. Rome denied them. That was the difference between using Rome (I consider them Italians which is a broad brush. When I think of Rome I think of Illyria, The Greek states, Gaul; before the Goths and Vandals entered, and Spain) but they were Romans nonetheless.

I disagree - the Goths did not want to become citizens. who would have been at the command of the Roman state. Instead, Alaric asked for a commission, he meant to become a general with independent command over 'his' forces, who he meant to be provishioned from the state fabricae and supplies. I don't think Stilicho had much of an option, as agreeing would have meant that Alaric would have become a state within the state, and more powerful then he was.

I guess I should apologize for using Italians as a basis of being Roman. This is the first place I've come to where I've been able to debate about the Romans and their History. I'm way too excited. I may interpret things wrong or putting the proper wording down, but it's a learning experience.

Enthusiasm is good! But expect some folks to discuss back, so return fulled armed and ready!