Lambaesis Inscription

[Xavi]

Hi all.
I´m wondering if any one on RAT knows where is possible to find the original Latin text of Lambaesis Adlocutio of Hadrian.
Thanks
Xavi

[MD]

There are multiple epigraphic databases available where you can find the original text of Latin inscriptions. Sometimes combined with photography
For example the Epigraphic Database Heidelberg which has two entries for the Lambaesis Adlocutio of Hadrian:

http://edh-www.adw.uni-heidelberg.de/edh...t/HD019142
http://edh-www.adw.uni-heidelberg.de/edh...t/HD028138

http://edh-www.adw.uni-heidelberg.de/home

Another one:
http://db.edcs.eu/epigr/epi_de.php

[Xavi]

Thanks MD!
I read the incription but looks to be just part of it. There is any other source?

[Renatus]

The text is fragmentary and there are, therefore, gaps in it. What makes you think that the transcriptions in the links provided by MD do not include all the available text?

[Xavi]

Hi Renatus
In the text, they supose to be references on Princeps, also about the use of dogs in guard duties. Just find AT PILOS...O CELER HASTATVS RECT
No metion on Canis, canem, Vigilia, Princeps etc.

LIvi

[D B Campbell]

... also about the use of dogs in guard duties. ... No metion on Canis, canem, Vigilia, ... etc.

This is a conjecture of Michael Speidel's, in his new edition of the inscription: M.P. Speidel, Emperor Hadrian's speeches to the African Army - a new text (Mainz 2006), on p. 70, reinterpreting Fragment 54 (previously published in 1899 but without interpretation).
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[Xavi]

I see..."LOSSO"..not "LOSSI" .but should be Molosus, Molosuse or Molossi...but greek Molossoi? In the other hand seems to be two separate words: LOS SO.

And where are the Princeps?

[D B Campbell]

I see..."LOSSO"..not "LOSSI" .but should be Molosus, Molosuse or Molossi...but greek Molossoi? In the other hand seems to be two separate words: LOS SO.

... mo]losso[s ...

And where are the Princeps?

Another of Speidel's conjectures, for one of the missing areas between AT PILOS and the named hastatus.

[Xavi]

Molossos rare latin word. (os in my limited latin knowlege is plural accusative?) Molossus will make more sense.

So, no Princeps either...
Anyhow Pilani and Hastatus were still in use...despite the Marian reforms...

[Renatus]

The Livius article is a copy of Jona Lendering's piece in Ancient Warfare Special Issue 2010, 'Core of the legion: The Roman Imperial centuria', but there is a striking difference between the online and printed versions.

Printed
'When speaking to the pili (also know (sic) as the triarii, "third line men" . . . ), Hadrian referred to their visits to outposts . . . The principes ("best men") were singled out for their construction skills, and although we know that the hastati ("spearmen") were also addressed, it is not known what task was allotted to them.'

Online
'When speaking to the pili ( the legionaries who were supposed to stand in the front line during a regular battle), Hadrian referred to their visits to outposts . . . The principes (the legionaries of the second rank) were singled out for their construction skills, and although we know that the hastati (the third rank) were also addressed, it is not known what task was allotted to them.'

Can anyone explain the reason for this extraordinary departure from what is understood to be the order of the lines?

[Mark Hygate]

............................., Hadrian referred to.......................

Can anyone explain the reason for this extraordinary departure from what is understood to be the order of the lines?

Assuming from what you have written that it's the one and only(?) Hadrian, this is an early 2nd century AD/CE reference....

Then the hastati centurions (and thus the centuries they command) are the 'junior' centuries in any cohort; the pili being first and the princeps the 2nd. It is certainly not unreasonable to suggest that 'on parade' they may form the '3rd element' of a cohort when lined up for presentation/inspection/allocation of duties.

Even, indeed, for the original Polybian/manipular legion, whilst positioned in the first line for battle, they are the youngest/most junior of the heavy infantry; and thus the later continuing usage of the, apparently, almost archaic rank structure, maintains that precedence.

[Renatus]

Then the hastati centurions (and thus the centuries they command) are the 'junior' centuries in any cohort; the pili being first and the princeps the 2nd. It is certainly not unreasonable to suggest that 'on parade' they may form the '3rd element' of a cohort when lined up for presentation/inspection/allocation of duties.

But the online quotation refers to position in the battleline, not 'on parade'.

In any event, what I query is what has changed between the article appearing in print and its being put online.