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Spatha scabbards
#16
Moi,

Is that Stanwick not some sort of Celtic design? Is it from the 1st C AD? That is what my focus is. I would like to complete my scabbard for a legate impression.

Thanks for the information. It will help a great deal.

What exactly is La Tene? Is it some sort of blade shape......appearance.....

Thanks
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#17
It's a type of blade that exhibited certain traits associated with the La Tene Celtic Culture of the 1st century BC-AD when it was finally Romanized.
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#18
Paolo.
Here are some pictures that might be of use to you however I do not have the provenance for these, but I think most cavalry scabbards being longer would not really carry so much decoration all the way down the scabbard.
What the lower end decoration of this one is I have no idea but where you ask about the scabbard chape I have shown I would put it at 1st to 2nd century. The width at its upper end would suggest that it carried a blade of no more than about 4 cm wide.
Where you say your idea is for a Legate impression I would suggest that you should be looking at maybe a Caesarian type of sword than a spatha.
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#19
Quote:Moi,

Is that Stanwick not some sort of Celtic design? Is it from the 1st C AD? That is what my focus is. I would like to complete my scabbard for a legate impression.

Thanks for the information. It will help a great deal.

What exactly is La Tene? Is it some sort of blade shape......appearance.....

Thanks

I'm not a great one for "Celtic". La Tene, as Evan says, is the culture of the period. bearing in mind that in the First Century the spatha came from auxiliary cavalry who were more likely to be from La Tene background than anything else, it is, in my book, the foundation of the 1st AD spatha. (You could , however, argue that Insus of the Trevi as depicted on his stele is carrying a Mainz gladius (otherwise known as the Lancaster Rider), not a spatha. But this stele is one of the very few of a cavalryman holding a sword and not a lance - plus a dinky little barbarian's head).

I would also question whether a legate in 1st C AD would be carrying a spatha? What makes you think that?
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#20
I have a very nice spatha for a Tribune/Decurion impression, but I have seen a few stele where the rid has what looks like a Mainz gladius,
so possibly a legate of a Legion would carry one? Or a fancy smancy eagle hilted parmazonian.
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#21
Hello Moi,

Sorry for the late response. Although I checked off the box for notifications, I never get them.

I am looking at it from the point of view that a legate would have had some sort of cavalry gear since their status would have been quite high. Sort of equestrian class.....

Byron, I already have the other two. LOL
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#22
I think that the locket and chape from Rottweil would be good candidates for spatha scabbard mounts. Unfortunately don't have a digital image handy, but perhaps someone else could put up a picture or two.

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#23
Hello Crispvs,

Thanks for your input on scabbard parts. I hope someone can post photos.

Cheers
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