\'Definitive\' List of Legionary\'s Belongings

[d.carmichael]

I forgot to mention in my last post but it isn't too far off being different then what you have listed for the roman, just more modern types of this equipment.

[M. Demetrius]

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[Paul Elliott]

I thought this Daily Mail article might have some bearing on my research, but the kitbag in question was full of personal documents. Still, finding a soldier's kitbag perfectly preserved in the North African sands is still a fantastic story!!!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...ds-go.html

[M. Demetrius]

And what a further find it would be if it were from say 342 instead of 1942. How many questions would be settled if it were a legionary pera instead? How many new ones would be raised?

[Nathan Ross]

It might be useful to compare the contents of soldier's packs from more recent history in order to compare them with ancient Rome.

Reminds me of Tim O'Brien's short story about troops in Vietnam. Have you read it?

If not:

Tim O'Brien, 'The Things they Carried'

[Paul Elliott]

No I haven't, but I've read his book If I Die in a Combat Zone, cheers, will have a read! I am an avid reader of all Vietnam related stuff, having wrote a book about the conflict back in the 1990s.

[agrimensor]

i would ad the small iron tripod to put a situal or patera on over fire. And dont forget the pila muralis. but not 2 per person.
They can easyly be cut from the forest.

[Jori]

If you have a forest nearby, of course.

[Paul Elliott]

I agree an iron cooking tripod for the barracks, but I'm not sure someone would carry it with them. It would go on the mule I suppose. I know we've cooked over fires using nothing more than carefully placed logs to support the patera. So I think a short patrol could do without one.

[agrimensor]

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Paul i was thinking on a small one just to put one pot on.

[Sutoris]

I wouldn't carry a tripod on patrol, no way.
I guess you don't even had a mule on patrol.
Like Mitras said, some logs ore stones or a fire pit to support the patera would do.

[M. Demetrius]

Mithras said: I know we've cooked over fires using nothing more than carefully placed logs

You can take a shovel of coals to one side, and boil or fry on that without even the logs/stones.

BTW, if getting soot on the pot worries you, before you put the pot on the heat, rub the outside with liquid dish soap, let it dry, and when you are through, simply wash in water. The soap coating captures the soot, and the water dissolves the soap. Nice and shiny. Oh, and if you miss a spot, you will know exactly where.

[Paul Elliott]

Continuing my research, I found a fantastic study of modern US Army practice, with complete kit lists included in the research paper:

http://thedonovan.com/archives/modernwar...Report.pdf

[Paul Elliott]

Equipment Common to Riflemen:

A. Worn on Body/Uniform:

• M4 Carbine with PEQ-2 Laser/PAQ-4 Laser, ACOG/CCO, and 30 rounds of 5.56mm ball
ammunition.
• Desert Camouflage Uniform with Infrared Tape on left sleeve (1”x1”).
• Desert Combat Boots.
• Dog Tags.
• ID Card.
• Undershirt.
• Socks.
• Tactical gloves.
• Interceptor Body Armor with two Small Arms Protective Inserts.
• Advanced Combat Helmet with night vision mounting plate.
• Rigger belt.
• Notebook and pen.
• Watch.
• Knee and elbow pads.
• Sun, Sand, and Dust type Goggles or Wiley-X Goggles.
• Folding Knife/Multi-tool.

B. Worn on Fighting Load Carrier/Interceptor Body Armor:

• MOLLE Fighting Load Carrier with modular MOLLE pouches.
• 180 rounds of 5.56mm ball ammunition.
• Bayonet.
• Fragmentation grenade.
• 64 ounces of water in two 1-quart canteens.
• 100 ounces of water in a hydration bladder.
• Casualty and witness cards.
• Flex cuffs for personnel under custody.
• Night vision equipment (PVS-14/PVS-7).
• Iodine tablets.
• Lensatic compass.
• Flashlight.
• Chemlight.
• First Aid dressing and pouch.
• Canteen Cup.
• Earplugs.

C. Carried in Assault Rucksack:

• MOLLE Assault Rucksack or commercial assault rucksack, with MOLLE attachments.
• 500ml intravenous fluids bag with starter kit.
• 70 ounces of water in a second hydration bladder.
• Two Meals, Ready to Eat (MREs).
• Poncho and/or Bivy Sack.
• Poncho liner.
• Undershirt.
• Spare batteries.
• Two pair of socks.
• Polypropylene or silk long sleeve undershirt.
• M4/M16 Rifle Cleaning Kit.
• Personal hygiene kit.
• Rubber gloves.
• Sling rope with two snap links.

D. Carried in Main Rucksack: (Main rucksacks were rarely taken on operations during
study)

• MOLLE main rucksack with Sleeping Bag Carrier or Large ALICE rucksack.
• Modular Sleeping Bag (one bag per two men).
• Long Polypropylene Underwear of Fleece Jacket and Bibs.
• Two Undershirts.
• Two pairs of socks.
• Cold Weather Gloves.
• Knit/Fleece Cap.
• Additional ammunition.
• Two Meals, Ready to Eat (MREs).
• Sleeping pad.

Special Equipment:

• Lock pick (B).
• Collapsible Riot Baton (B).
• Bolt cutters (C or D).
• Metal detecting wand (C or D).
• 60mm mortar round (C or D).
• Combat Lifesaver Kit ©.
• Personnel Under Custody (PUC) Kit (sand bags, flex cuffs, trash bags, PUC cards, rubber
gloves) ©.
• AT4 Anti-armor Weapon. (C or D).
• SMAW-D Bunker Defeat Weapon. (C or D).
• Hooligan Tool. (C or D).
• Sledgehammer. (C or D).
• Entrenching Tool. (C or D).
• M18 Claymore Mine. (C or D).
• Pole-less Litter. (C or D).
• 200 rounds of 5.56mm linked ammunition for M249 SAW. (C or D)

[Vindex]

Personnel Under Custody and rubber gloves???? hock: hock: hock: :twisted: