How can I find a source for Madder Vegetable dye?

[Palmerius2002]

How can I find a source for Madder Vegetable dye?

I live in Arizona, USA

How can I get a hold of Madder Vegetable dye and Indigo for
creating the burgundy "madder red" for a Roman Army Tunica?

I am also interested in getting some Woad for fabric dye-ing too.

is there a source for diamond twill fabric in North America in wool or linen as shown on the European AERA site under fabrics?

thanks...

[M. Demetrius]

Dharma Trading company has a great catalog, and many sorts of natural dyes, mordants, and instructions.
http://www.dharmatrading.com/topnav/dyes/

You can find madder and indigo (woad-like dye) at places like these:
http://www.naturaldyes.org/sources.htm

Does that help?

[Palmerius2002]

David Wills (M. Demetrius Abicio);

The fabric dye links helped tremendously, thank you very much!

I have been asking a few in the SCA group here and every site
they tell me about is down or not a vendor of natural ancient fabric
natural fabric dye stuffs. Not sure if its just the way it is or there sense of humor.

Thanks for your help, sir.

[M. Demetrius]

Sort of duplicate post edited away.
How'd I do that?

[richsc]

Don't expect deep red. Madder can range considerably from pinkish orange up to deep rose.

[Palmerius2002]

How would I produce the burgundy red (wine) color vs something that looks dayglo or odd color?

Have heard that I can combine other dyes in a certain combination not sure if I got good advice?

What do you recommend?

[M. Demetrius]

Shades are any color (hue) plus black; tints are any color plus white.Plain red, plus a very little black produces shades from burgundy to maroon to brown.

Most red dyes that can be used at home are not really color fast, and garments so dyed will certainly fade onto whatever else is put in the wash with them. Voice of experience of one who owned a pink tunic. Unfortunately, the garment that's faded onto doesn't seem to fade back to its original color. I had to resort to modern bleach and dye-remover to get rid of the unwelcome color.

[richsc]

If you are looking for something the Romans would have used, there is no real definite answer. Would the military have gone out of its way to combine dye to create it, given the variables of organic s processes? Or would they have actually liked pink and orange? Your prejudice against pink is a modern problem: the Roman military may have preferred it. Think Rosanalia.

[Palmerius2002]

Gentelmen;

Thanks for answering my question.

The technical answer was what I was looking for.
So I take Madder Red natural dye and add some other form of natural black dye
to get the result I am looking for thank you M. Demetrius (David Wlils)!

In the US Army we washed our clothes by hand in training and it did not fade
as much as using "modern" clothes washing machines and detergents.

I imagine whatever I make I should re-dye.

We had to keep all of our equipment clean especially when coming back
from summer time training. If the equipment is worn out we had to buy new.
I imagine it was much the same in Roman times constant maintaining of equipment
"kit".

I like the last comment very humorous ;-) Thanks Richard Campbell....

I am not the kind of guy that would wear pink-then again I think he is correct
when he says we dont know if they fought in their favorite faded or re-dyed
battle tunica?

[M. Demetrius]

In ancient times, pink was the color for boys, and light blue for girls--or so they say. I've read that those colors reversed for some reason as late as Victorian times.