06-10-2013, 03:49 PM
Quote:Diocle post=339048 Wrote:I state that, even today, NATO would not be able to equip 300.000 men with kevlar armors!According to Statistics Canada, there were 70,000 police officers in Canada in 2012. Each of those has a body armour of synthetic fibres which will stop handgun bullets. ( http://www.statcan.gc.ca/tables-tableaux...5a-eng.htm ) When you add the Canadian Forces, and police reserves, private security companies, and so on, the total would be over 200,000 armoured men just in Canada. If we add in Italy, I am sure that the total would reach 300,000 armoured soldiers and police without asking the Americans to lend some armour
Nobody on Earth (and when I write nobody I mean nobody) was even able to equip 300.000 men with iron armors! Because this It's simply not possible!
Few tens thousands men during the middle age means nothing compared to 300.000 men during the Antiquity.
The numbers are an impassable obstacle for the Fantasy tale about the Roman Army clad in iron!
Quote:I end up with this famous quote (from the site of A.D.), from the 'De Bello Civilis' I hope you'll be able to translate two lines of Latin dear hamata experts!The quote about Caesar's soldiers at Dyrrachium making armour for themselves out of available materials has been discussed many times on this site. It tells us two things: that on this occasion soldiers did make improvised body armour, and that this was not usual. If everyone already had armour of cloth or basketwork or quilting, they would not have to make them when they were besieged by Pompeius and his archers!
"'omnes fere milites aut ex coactis aut ex centonibus aut ex coriis tunicas aut tegimenta fecerant quibus tela vitarent'
Anyway the words for you, dear friends, are: Cento, Coactilia, and Coriis tegimenta......meditate good people, meditate! ;-)
But NATO today represents the Alliance of industrial countries of the XXI century! So you need to adapt the numbers to the actual situation.
The policemen and the NATO soldiers are getting kevlar armors for twenty or thirty years, am I wrong?
Do you understand that you iron rings devoted, you are saying that the Romans produced iron mails for something like seven hundreds years? 700 years producing iron rings for 300.000 men or 400.000 men? Com'on return from the wonderful world of OZ, the reality is less fascinating but more ...'realistic'....
Do you understand that this is a Fantasy tale?
Do you understand that from China to India, nobody in Ancient History (before the industrial Age) has been ever able to produce such an incredible amount of iron rings continiously for 700 years or more??????
During WWI, WWII, VietNam war and all the modern Conflicts the soldiers went to war without any kind protection! They are only men, workers, proletariat in arms nothing more...their lives have always been ....expendable!!
Why do you think that for the Roman proletarians in arms, the situation was differnt?
The Roman Legionaries and Auxiliaries weren't Space Marines belonging to the WarHammer40.0000 Sience Fiction Universe, the Roman soldiers were ..... expendable! (as today!)
Anyway what I'm trying to say here is that I find really wrong, the lack of intellectual respect for people like the guys of Ars Dimicandi, only because they see the matter in a different way.
About the amount of iron mail, leather, padded cloth, linen and their amount, nobody has the truth in his poket, so please guys, even if you disagree with those (like me) who think that[b] actually the Romans and the Greeks and all the Italic peoples,and all the ancient peoples used massively the Organic armors, [/b ]try to respect the different opinions, the Truth isn't on your side for Divine Sentence, your opinion is interesting but it's not the Divine Truth, the Divine Truth doesn't exist and it never existed.
