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Seeking fabric for Tunica and Fell boot source
#1
Begining in the Roman Reenacting hobby seeking proper madder red wool (diamond twill) and light weight linnen for
summer weight tunica, pants and the proper wool fabric for entry level soldier impression. Are there any
patterns for cloak, tunica and pants? Are there any decent fabric vendors in US Canada that sell quality fabric
the links and resources on some Roman reenacting unit pages have expired. Can anyone clue me here?

Also, William Stephenson leather works seems to have made a decent set of lace up tall Fell boots
has anyone made a set that compare to his. The link from Legion XX shows an example
of these but his telephone number is disconnected.

Is there anyone in the US, Canada, Europe or UK that has made a set similar? Are they depicted in the following
books? Can anyone provide feed back on the quality of the titles below?

Romische Schuhe
Prehistoric Footwear
Stepping through time

If anyone is at a trade school for shoe making or has some experience
or a portfolio of projects contact me.
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#2
https://www.armamentaria.com/store/index...20a&page=5

Nice boots here! And you can put in an insole for comfort. Affordable too.

I think Stepping through Time a very good book, but be advised the section on Roman footwear is only a small part of the book. It is very well illustrated with drawings also showing reconstructed cutting patterns. It is of a much more scientific nature the Romische Schuhe, which is a more popular version, with a lot of nice photographs, though. I really never use it to look something up.
Salvete et Valete



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Robert P. Wimmers
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#3
Hi Geoffrey,

Quote:Can anyone provide feed back on the quality of the titles below?

Romische Schuhe
Prehistoric Footwear
Stepping through time

By "Prehistoric Footwear" do you mean
Hald, M. 1972. Primitive shoes. An archaeological-ethnological
study based upon shoe finds from the Jutland peninsula.
[Publications of the National Museum, Archaeological-Historical
Series I, XIII.] Copenhagen.

As for "Roemische Schuhe", Robert is right, but please note that it has a very good bibliography if you want to research further.

A number of the Vindolanda finds are in

Driel-Murray, C. van, John Peter Wild et al.: Vindolanda. Research Reports, New Series. Vol. III The Early Wooden Forts. 1993

See http://sutor.jimdo.com/shoes/roman-shoes...a-calceus/ for a reconstruction, though a different type than the one you are looking for.

Cheers,
Martin
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#4
For some very nice fabrics (hand weave, natural hand dyed and also with wooven-inn clavi) check
http://www.handweberei-galz.de/
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#5
Thank all of you for your responses to my questions;

Since I have yet to build a substantial library and yet to see
what is pictured in the reference books I appreciate your
sharing the websites. I had no idea that there was so
much variation in roman military footwear, colors
of dyes they used, tool work, piercings, and hobnail
tread variations.

Are the Vindolana Fell boots strictly 2nd century only?
or could they have been used prior to the year 100 AD
in Brittian.
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#6
Carol van Driel - Murray states in Stepping through Time: By 90 AD the caliga had been replaced by a sturdy, frontclosing boot ... Further on, it says: In the period 80-110, this must have been the most common shoe style in the Northern provinces. So I guess there is your answer to that one :-)
They seem to fase out by 120 AD. Caligae are certainly not the standard for late first century re-enactment. The closed boot would very likely have seen use prior to the '80 s in order to become dominant and displacing the caligae completely by 90 AD.
Salvete et Valete



Nil volentibus arduum





Robert P. Wimmers
www.erfgoedenzo.nl/Diensten/Creatie Big Grin
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#7
Quote:They seem to fase out by 120 AD. Caligae are certainly not the standard for late first century re-enactment. The closed boot would very likely have seen use prior to the '80 s in order to become dominant and displacing the caligae completely by 90 AD.

Looking at just the facts, the latest dated caligae finds I'm aware of are 80/90 AD. Early second century still sees depictions of caligae in military settings (e.g. Traian's column).

My guess is that both types of shoes were around simultaneously for an extended period of time, with preference also varying to area and climate. In a non-military setting there is depiction on a gravestone from Neumagen, Germany, of a caligae-style shoe from the 2nd half of the 2nd cent. AD even.
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#8
Hi Martin,

You are definitly the authority on Roman footwear on this forum, so I gladly concede the point. I do believe we could be less strict on caligae as the only thing a first century Roman soldier wears. A lot of re-enactorismes have crept in, but are challenged by archeological data. Off topic, but sword handles are a case in point :-)
Salvete et Valete



Nil volentibus arduum





Robert P. Wimmers
www.erfgoedenzo.nl/Diensten/Creatie Big Grin
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#9
Hi Robert

Quote:I do believe we could be less strict on caligae as the only thing a first century Roman soldier wears.

oh, yes, I think you are absolutely right about this and please understand my comment above in this way as well. We tend to think to much in terms of uniformism IMHO.
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#10
This thread should really be in the 'Re-enactment and Reconstruction' section.

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#11
Ave;

Thanks for responding, after some time returning to work, I could afford to buy some leather and tools and made my own calcei boots and did this by studying the website at Florentius.com he has a fantastic how to guide on how to create 1st and 2nd century Roman boots for reenacting. Since I have a shoe string budget, and cant really afford much at this time. I thought learning how to make them would be invaluable. My hope is to one day start my own Roman Reenacting group as the one here in Tucson seems to be inactive.
I would like to be able to walk others through making the boots I made through finding the florentius.com website. Many thanks to him that created such a fine website as he did. would like to post the finished calcei when they are completed, have to hobnail them and lace them. Want to learn how to make my own socks as well.

Who among you can tell me how to post the image of the finished calcei when completed? Do I need an account of photo bucket?
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#12
Quote:Who among you can tell me how to post the image of the finished calcei when completed? Do I need an account of photo bucket?

Glad you were able to make your own boots. Well done. As for attaching pics Photobucket is one option, but the forum software also allows you to attach pics directly to your post by uploading them to the boards servers, so for a limited number of pics you don't need an extra photo-service account.
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A.K.A. Jurjen Draaisma
CORBVLO and Fectio
ALA I BATAVORUM
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Greetings Geoffrey,

I have a lot of leather appropriate for shoemaking. I would be happy to send you enough to make a pair or two of calcei. Send me a PM and we can work this out. Also I have Stepping Through Time and could send you a photocopy of the section on Roman footwear.

Best,

Lucianus
L.E. Pearson
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#14
If you like, I would be willing to donate my time to learn how to make a pair of calcie for you. if you provide the materials and reference data.
I would also need a tracing of your feet and measurements I need to research where to find this need to know if you have anything about your feet that would need to be mentioned so as to fit the boot better. This experience would be good for me to learn in order to teach others in a fabrica event on a how to make your own footgear. I see that you wrote an article on using color dyes for vegetable tanned leather.

Seeking info on vent design patterns for calcei if any are documented that you know of for my summer boots.

Is there any truth about felt insoles?

Will you be wearing naalbind socks, or Udone socks with these calcei?

Geoffrey Ives
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#15
Hi Geoffrey,

Quote:Is there any truth about felt insoles?
Will you be wearing naalbind socks, or Udone socks with these calcei?

Felt insoles are perfectly conceivale IMHO, although I don't know of an actual find. There is however a wool cloth insole from Vindolanda, so why not felt as well?
Udones I guess could be made by naalbinding at least I don't know of any definition that goes against the idea. As a technique naalbinding was known at least in Egypt from the 3rd/4th cent. AD as testified by finds while knitting only came about later as it seems. Again from Vindolanda there is a tailored sock made from woolen cloth. If socks like this were called udones or not I think we cannot tell.
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