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Roman linen/leather armour
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Evening all, i'm thinking about comissioning a leather or linen cuirass based on the ones illustrated and described in R D'Amatos Arms and armour of the imperial Roman soldier. Now then gentlemen as my peers what would be your reaction be should i arrive at one of your events wearing one. I'm considering the Marcus Favonius Facilis inspired one. Your thoughts please.
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#2
Well, you would certainly make a good 19th century 'Roman impression' impression for sure.
I don't mind the use of leather myself, but then being it worn over or under some metal armour, not instead off. D'amato puts some research 150 years back in time...
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#3
I used to think that too, however some of D'Amatos points are very interesting particully the Marcus Favonis Facilus cuirais which is based not only on the gravestone but also on a wall painting.
I have to admit that i'm fairly traditional in my view of Roman armour and this has made me dismiss some ideas immediately. I started Roman reenactment in 1989 and back then Trajans Column was gospel and auxilliaries never wore segmentata, now i am more open to other well argued possibilities.
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Quote:a leather or linen cuirass based on the ones illustrated and described in R D'Amatos Arms and armour of the imperial Roman soldier... the Marcus Favonius Facilis inspired one.

This is also Graham Sumner's interpretation (in Ancient Warfare Special 2010) I think. Interesting - but you're opening yourself up to a lot of arguing and explaining... perhaps not a bad thing! Wink
Nathan Ross
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Yes Graham Sumner illustrated the picture i refer too, not happy to argue but happy to explain. I understand that some people can be die hard in their opinions, but archaeology is a constantly changing field, when i started reenacting it was still believed that the segmentata was introduced mid 1st century. Now we know different.
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Indeed you beat me to it Nathan.

The version in Ancient Warfare is a much more in depth view than the one in 'Arms and Armour'.

The Facilis panoply does have some unusual features, such as the long shoulder doubling and the belt which I am convinced is not made from separate belt plates. While the idea of a cuirass made from layers of linen covered with a thin layer of leather is entirely feasible the problem with a design based on this particular sculpture is getting it to extend partially down the shoulders and to raise the arms. That is of course something I can do in an artwork but does not prove it can work although William Brown made a good attempt with his re-construction which appears in the article.

Of course the simple explanation is that the sculptor made many mistakes and the accepted version is that a mail shirt is shown, however that still does not totally explain the belt to me, as similar examples showing the continuous crenelated design exist elsewhere.

Graham.
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