05-13-2013, 07:54 PM
I notice that several members have problems with my use of the word 'Turkish'. This is NOT meant as a designation of 'Turkish' as in post-1453, but to the cultural and stylistic use of the word. The dating and heritage of these masks is based on a supposed presence of Cuman/Kipchac soldiers at the Byzantine court, which is of course a well-established fact.
And Byron - apparently it's not 'only' y opinion, both book cited here give a 10th-13th c. date.
I still see no reason to date these masks, on stylictic grounds, a Late Roman. The supposed likeeness to the Sutton Hoo helmet is noted, but that helmet also postdates the late Roman period by several centuries. the supposed likeness to similar helmets on the Column of Arcadius ios dangerous - we can't prove that anymore. the surviviving sketches are unfortunately just that - sketches.
At least we've established that we're talking about the same facemasks, that's a relief. :wink:
And Byron - apparently it's not 'only' y opinion, both book cited here give a 10th-13th c. date.
I still see no reason to date these masks, on stylictic grounds, a Late Roman. The supposed likeeness to the Sutton Hoo helmet is noted, but that helmet also postdates the late Roman period by several centuries. the supposed likeness to similar helmets on the Column of Arcadius ios dangerous - we can't prove that anymore. the surviviving sketches are unfortunately just that - sketches.
At least we've established that we're talking about the same facemasks, that's a relief. :wink:
Robert Vermaat
MODERATOR
FECTIO Late Romans
THE CAUSE OF WAR MUST BE JUST
(Maurikios-Strategikon, book VIII.2: Maxim 12)
MODERATOR
FECTIO Late Romans
THE CAUSE OF WAR MUST BE JUST
(Maurikios-Strategikon, book VIII.2: Maxim 12)
