When did the Roman Empire fall (your thoughts)?

[Robert Vermaat]

But fact is-- ROME's Civilization FELL. It fell so hard that even the Reneissance couldn't put it back together again, and it took 1,500 years before we could again take a crap in the splendor of indoor plumbing. 8)

I think you are perhaps confusing civilization with economy and material wealth. The fact that 'we' could not crap with the benefit of indoor plumbing had nothing to do with a lost civilization (it was all preserved just a short distance away, in the East), but with an economic crisis that laid us so low that there was not enough economic power left to put rooftiles on our houses again for a thousand years. Let alone plumbing.