Mainz pugio

[Anonymous]

I found this wonderful dagger on the web www.zum.de/Faecher/G/BW/L...dolch1.htm<br>
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Does anyone make a replica?<br>
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Regards,<br>
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Paul<br>
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PS If I knew how to post it in the posting, I would- any help here much appreciated! <p></p><i></i>

[Crispvs]

Thanks for bringing this dagger to my attention. I've been trying to gather together as many pictures of pugiones as I could for the last couple of years and this one had so far escaped my notice. It looks to be a type B(I) sheath, judging by its decoration and apparent shape and the dagger may be a type C blade, judging by the shape of the point, although looks may be decieving. If it is a type C blade then the chances are that it will have a type II (rod) tang which will have been set into its handle by pressure alone rather than being pinned by any of the rivets or decorative pins. If I am right in identifying it as a type B sheath the metal will be present only on the front side of the sheath, as type B sheaths were probably made of wood and leather and simply fronted by an iron plate, rather than having both front and rear plates which joined at the edges like type A sheaths. I can't tell you much about the sheath on the left although I suspect that it might be type B(II). If anyone can tell me more about these daggers PLEASE do.<br>
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Unfortunately I don't know of anyone making type B sheaths, which is a pity because they are probably more accurate than type A sheaths for the middle half of the first century AD. I'm trying to make one myself at the moment but that probably doesn't count.<br>
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Anyway, thanks again for showing me a new dagger.<br>
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Crispvs <p></p><i></i>

[mcbishop]

<em>Thanks for bringing this dagger to my attention. I've been trying to gather together as many pictures of pugiones as I could for the last couple of years</em><br>
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Both of these were published by Lindenschmit back in the 1880s and regularly surface in various publications (Edith Thomas' <em>Helme, Schilde, Dolche</em> springs to mind) and they are included in what must surely be top of your Christmas list:<br>
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J. Obmann, <em>Studien zur römischen Dolchscheiden des 1. Jahrhunderts n.Chr. Archäologische Zeugnisse und bildliche Überlieferung</em>, Kölner Studien zur Archäologie der römischen Provinzen Bd.4, Rahden 2000 ISBN 3-89646-132-X<br>
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It is mostly catalogue, drawings, and photos, but there is a pithy text too. There are also some very nice colour reconstructions at the back which sadly slip past almost without comment.<br>
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Mike Bishop <p></p><i></i>

[Crispvs]

Thanks Mike,<br>
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As it's an ISBN number rather than an ISSN number it sounds like a book. If so I'll be down to the orders counter at Waterstones tomorrow. I have a sneeking suspicion that it might be a periodical though. If so can you advise on where I might find it?<br>
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Thanks again<br>
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Crispvs / Paul Geddes <p></p><i></i>

[mcbishop]

It's definitely a book, although part of a series, and I got mine from Oxbow.<br>
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Mike Bishop<br>
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NB Both books and journals have ISBNs and ISSNs - <em>JRMES</em> has an ISSN because it is a serial, but each volume has its own ISBN; books in a series might have an ISBN but also have an ISSN for the series. Confused? You will be ;-) <p></p><i></i>

[Anonymous]

Mike,<br>
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As I am unlikely to buy more than one book on pugiones, would you recommend this as the book?<br>
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Thanks and regards<br>
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Paul <p></p><i></i>

[mcbishop]

<em>As I am unlikely to buy more than one book on pugiones, would you recommend this as the book?</em><br>
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Well I'm not enough of a specialist on daggers and their scabbards to say it is <em>the best</em>, but it certainly isn't the worst book on my shelves (and these days they are groaning under the weight of junk for which no tree should have been asked to die) and it <em>is</em> one I refer to, rather than curse for its inadequacies.<br>
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Mike Bishop <p></p><i></i>

[Crispvs]

Thanks again. I've just ordered it.<br>
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Crispvs <p></p><i></i>

[Anonymous]

Me too! Possibly the unlikeliest best seller of 2003.... <p></p><i></i>

[Anonymous]

Hi Crispus<br>
Now i know which dagger you mean't when we spoke on the phone earlier, and guess what i have lots of pics of this dagger on disk i can let you have, and did you get the pic of the scutum decoration found at york?.<br>
..........Mike <p></p><i></i>

[Anonymous]

Scutum decor from York???? this i'd not heard of, unless of coarse you mean tjhe shield from Doncaster?<br>
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I've also got a stash of colour digital photos from various museums (Mainz, Leiden, Xanten etc) which i can dig out and forward if anyones really, really interested. (being that theyre somewhere hidden underneath a huge pile of books, wool, c.ds and other trash id rather not move!!!)<br>
<p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://pub45.ezboard.com/bromanarmytalk.showUserPublicProfile?gid=enniuspaulinus>Ennius Paulinus</A> at: 12/21/03 10:32 pm<br></i>

[Anonymous]

You can order the Obmann book straight from the publisher through the web: see<br>
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www.vml.de/d/autoren.php?autor=O001<br>
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Ursinius. <p></p><i></i>

[venicone]

more pics of daggers here too<br>
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www.romanauxilia.com/Expl...ggers1.htm<br>
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www.romanauxilia.com/Expl...ggers2.htm<br>
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www.romanauxilia.com/Expl...aggers.htm<br>
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www.romanauxilia.com/Expl...anten1.htm<br>
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www.romanauxilia.com/Expl...nten15.htm<br>
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www.romanauxilia.com/Expl...iden12.htm<br>
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[Anonymous]

Just receive the book below- quite superb illustrations of daggers, statuary and reconstructions- many thanks MC Bishop!<br>
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"Both of these were published by Lindenschmit back in the 1880s and regularly surface in various publications (Edith Thomas' Helme, Schilde, Dolche springs to mind) and they are included in what must surely be top of your Christmas list:<br>
<br>
J. Obmann, Studien zur römischen Dolchscheiden des 1. Jahrhunderts n.Chr. Archäologische Zeugnisse und bildliche Überlieferung, Kölner Studien zur Archäologie der römischen Provinzen Bd.4, Rahden 2000 ISBN 3-89646-132-X<br>
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It is mostly catalogue, drawings, and photos, but there is a pithy text too. There are also some very nice colour reconstructions at the back which sadly slip past almost without comment.<br>
<br>
Mike Bishop " <p></p><i></i>

[Anonymous]

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Obmann's dissertation gives a very good view on roman daggers. I was given the opportunity to provide him with all the Dutch material. Recently a lot of new roman daggers were discovered along some Rhineforts in the Netherlands. I hope they will be published in the near future.<br>
In the past I have made several daggers including the leeuwen dagger and Velsendagger form the netherlands, and this type. Its very difficult to make and they are very expensive. The best is to try yourselves. Nowadays I have found a metalshop that uses laser for cutting iron. They can also engrave with laser. That will bring down the time-consuming work. The bronze and silver can be hammered in. For the enamel you will need an oven.<br>
good luck,<br>
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Arpvar.<br>
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